Final Cut Who?

[Richard Cardonna]

Your fcp is acting strangly because its jeleous

[Ryan Holmes]

Similar experience here. My team migrated last fall after the FCPX launch. But it hasn’t been until CS6 that I have been able to move my entire workflow (ingest, edit, transcode, deliver) over to Adobe entirely. I still kept hanging on to some aspect of FCS3 – mainly Compressor. But the speed of PPro and the Mercury Playback Engine has been so far superior to FCP7 that it just feels slow when I have to go back there for an old project.

I think CS6 made some great strides forward, but there’s still plenty of work to be done (and I think Adobe is aware of that). Especially if they truly want to make PPro the Photoshop of the NLE world.

Ryan Holmes
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[Brian Cooney]

haha. I think you are right… a slooooooow death.

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[Chris Borjis]

CS6 is everything I wanted in a “could have been” Final Cut Pro 8.

I’ve been using it since it came out for all new projects forward.
So much time saved not ever having to transcode.

[Brian Cooney]

YEs. And it looks like Adobe wants to hold our hand in this and walk with us.. That makes you feel confident about investing into the software. I have so many FCP pluggins that I will no longer be able to use, re-purchasing plugins was a factor for me but the only option there was to hang on to FCP7 which doesn’t seem forward moving. I agree… I totally noticed the difference coming back to FCP7 this week. It was clunkier, PPro just felt smooth.. I wish I could discover some quicker workflow functions though.. for exmple.. I’m so used to being able to copy and paste transitions in within the FCP7 timeline and also copy, paste, and remove attributes.. Not as quick and easy in PPRo.

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[Ryan Holmes]

[Brian Cooney] “And it looks like Adobe wants to hold our hand in this and walk with us.. That makes you feel confident about investing into the software.”

I would be careful about this. Putting your eggs into any 1 companies basket is a dangerous strategy. Ex-FCPers (of which I am one) got caught with there pants down thinking Apple would always deliver what they wanted. When Apple didn’t deliver the product many of us hoped for we got mad and some left. Hopefully June 2011 helped everybody realize the danger of expecting one company to deliver a complete end-to-end solution.

Remember Adobe didn’t even make it’s software available on the Mac platform between 2003-2007 (CS3 returned to OSX in July 2007). They pulled completely out of the Mac environment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiere_Pro). So while I’m optimistic about Adobe’s direction, I’m also cautious. Learning other software (Smoke, Avid, FCPX?) in order to minimize my need to trust one company to always deliver the next latest and greatest NLE. Know all your tools and what one company does won’t impact you as hard if they decide to take away or change that tool.

Ryan Holmes
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[Brian Cooney]

do you ever find any issues at all with multiple codecs within a single timeline? h.264 is a delivery format… but I was wondering how Premiere might handle it.. especially if combined with XDCAM and/or prores, etc..

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[Brian Cooney]

excellent point.

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[Dennis Radeke]

[Ryan Holmes] “[Brian Cooney] “And it looks like Adobe wants to hold our hand in this and walk with us.. That makes you feel confident about investing into the software.”

I would be careful about this.”

We do want to walk with you, but I agree a certain amount of skepticism is healthy too.

[Ryan Holmes] “Remember Adobe didn’t even make it’s software available on the Mac platform between 2003-2007 (CS3 returned to OSX in July 2007).”

This is true. The reason for this is that we re-architected the application (re-wrote it) which became Premiere *Pro* as opposed to just Premiere *no Pro*. At the time, the overwhelming majority of our business was on PC and FCP was getting stronger, so we opted to go PC only for three versions (1.0, 1.5, 2.0). By the time CS3 came out, our customers had spoken loud and clear that they wanted Premiere Pro cross platform – so we did it.

Dennis

[Ryan Holmes]

[Dennis Radeke] “At the time, the overwhelming majority of our business was on PC and FCP was getting stronger, so we opted to go PC only for three versions (1.0, 1.5, 2.0).”

This underscores my point. There’s no guarantee that this won’t happen again. If Avid or Smoke or FCPX or eats into your Mac customer base and you once again decide it’s not worth it to be here you’ll leave. It’s not personal. It’s just business. You go where the money is. Currently it’s a good business decision to be on the Apple platform. That may not be the case in 2, or 5, or 10 years. Which is why it’s important for editors, vfx specialists, audio engineers to not be tied to one software that they live and die by. And I’m speaking as heavy user of CS6. However, it’s not the only NLE I use. I don’t want to get caught in a corner again like I did with FCP7.

And it may not even be that you leave the Mac platform. FCPX didn’t change platforms it just flat out didn’t deliver the features many editors were asking for. If CS7 or CS8 or CS9 fails to deliver then editors will indeed migrate. So it’s not necessarily the case that Adobe will restrict the platform, it may just be a poor release or a series of underwhelming releases (similar to what Avid experienced in the early-to-mid 2000’s).

For editors we’ve never had more choices in NLE’s than we do now. And most of them work cross-platform. I’m excited to see how much Adobe has listened to it’s users and how active y’all are on these forums. The CS6 release does indeed show that Adobe listened to what users wanted. I hope CS6.5 and CS7 continue that open listening trend. And please don’t read my above comments as strictly negative. I just want people to have their eyes open when doing this business. Adobe is a business. And the management will make choices for future products with regard to where they see the market moving – be it Mac, Windows, Linux, iPad, etc.

Ryan Holmes
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