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Final Cut Who?
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Hey Ryan,
Like I said, I agree.
I don’t feel that Adobe will leave the Mac platform for a number of good reasons, but I respect your opinion and your reasoning.
The underlying point though is that Adobe is listening and caring and delivering right now and that’s what everybody should be concerned about today. We will continue to listen to our existing users and those specifically of our competition to make Premiere Pro the Photoshop of Video. 😉
Dennis – Adobe guy.
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Ryan, will Adobe be beefing up PPro with more stock pluggins in the future. I have a ton of 3rd party FCP plugins I can’t use anymore..soem of them fo work with AE though. But one of the weaknesses I thought PPro had was is’t lack of stock filters. FCP had broader range of stylistic effects and transitions. I understand the Adobe mindset a little better now… that it is, you do your cutting in PPro and your finishing in AE. But I think us FCP users are really accustomed to a bit more under the hood in the area of onboard fx and transitions, etc.
MotionFoundry, Inc. Video Post
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Brian – give me a list of what is important to you from a plugin stand point.
Dennis – Adobe
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Transitions like; cross zoom, certain dissolves; fade in fade out, dip to color.. Other plugins.. Smooth Cam, image control like HSV adjust, mattes, vignette, blink, title 3D, sharpen, threshold, glow effects like bloom, overdrive, etc…. borders, stylistic fx like bad TV, old film, – a lot of these I’ve mostly used third party plugins for but I know FCP has them instock as well. I may have listed some here that PPro already has…but I don’t think so, being new I’m still finding my way around.
MotionFoundry, Inc. Video Post
Clients: GM, AOL, Kohl’s, 3 Doors Down, IKEA, Kelloggs, Toyota, Thomas Nelson, NASCAR Affiliates -
[Dennis Radeke] “The underlying point though is that Adobe is listening and caring and delivering right now “
Agreed. Adobe should be applauded for this. Avid doesn’t listen this well (maybe a bit better recently). Apple does listen this well. Autodesk doesn’t listen this well (though they are getting better as well). Adobe is easily leading the curve with listening to what we want right now today.
[Dennis Radeke] “We will continue to listen to our existing users and those specifically of our competition to make Premiere Pro the Photoshop of Video.”
I hope you can make PPro the Photoshop of video. To make it the hub of digital creation – excellent! Which is why I’ve long wondered when Adobe will (1) make it’s own XML language. Instead of having to export out the whole project as XML, how about just 1 sequence or a small group of sequences. When I move to Resolve for color grading I don’t need all 85 sequences. I just need the 1 that is prepped for color. (2) Adobe’s own native codec. I love that PPro is the honey badger of NLE’s. But when you ingest footage from RED, C300, GoPro, 5DMarkII, and a 7D other programs don’t handle all those codecs equally well in one timeline (I’m looking at you DaVinci Resolve). No sweat for CS6, but not everybody is so nimble.
So having the ability to move to 1 standard format is still important, I think. Granted we have DNxHD and ProRes, but there Adobe is stuck relying on outside companies to deliver a solution. If there was an Adobe equivalent that played equally well in PPro, After Effects, and Speedgrade (and the codec would be licensed to any and all third parties – Canon, Arri, RED, Atomos, SoundDevices, Blackmagic, etc for direct capture) that would be a game changer. Especially if when you log and ingest footage through Prelude it would convert to that format from the start. Then you wouldn’t have to mix codecs so much in PPro or AE. And you wouldn’t have to convert to DPX for speedgrade (unless you wanted to).
Just my $.02. Keep up the good work with Adobe. It is encouraging to see a company listen to its user base.
Ryan Holmes
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[Ryan Holmes] ” Instead of having to export out the whole project as XML, how about just 1 sequence or a small group of sequences. When I move to Resolve for color grading I don’t need all 85 sequences. I just need the 1 that is prepped for color.”
this one is pretty easy….
Make a new Project and then IMPORT your previous project.
You will be prompted with the option to choose entire project or just select sequences. Choose what you need for grading.
Save this project and use it as the basis of sending your project on to grading….
Alex
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Agreed. That is a “workaround” for the limitation that currently exists. If speed is one of my primary concerns (and it is ;-), then the extra steps to export out a XML, create a new project, reimport that file, just to re-export another XML means I’m wasting time.
If you’re doing this just once a day, maybe no big deal. But what if it’s multiple times in a day? In a week? What if you have to reconform because the edits changed? Well now that time starts to add up. Since we can already export a XML out of PPro why not just enable it to export a single sequence as well? Leave it to the user to decide via a dialog box if they want the whole project (for moving to another NLE) or just a sequence for VFX or color grading.
I’m just looking for the maximum amount of efficiency in my software. I don’t like to do things that I think the software/hardware should be able to take care of.
Just my $.02
Ryan Holmes
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[Alex Udell] “Make a new Project and then IMPORT your previous project.
“Sorry, I mistyped above (referencing XML export/import). What you’ve listed is also still a “workaround.” Albeit slightly shorter than what I described above. Still not as fast as I’d like….
Just my $.02
Ryan Holmes
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Oh I agree….
but they way you originally wrote, it sounded like you might not be aware of it.
Alex
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Keep in ind that PPro runs any plugin that AE does with the exception of 3D (3 axis) effects.
With a few possible exceptions, Premiere Pro may be the NLE with the most plugins available when you consider the After Effects portfolio of available effects…
TimK,
Director, Consultant
Kolb Productions,Adobe Certified Instructor
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