Final CUt Pro Rendering Incorrectly in Timeline and on Output

[Shane Ross]

Why are you nesting? What happens when you don’t nest?

Shane

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[Ben Blankenship]

I am nesting because that’s how the project was initially set up by the head editor. He did it, I assume, because it is a two hour film and dealing with a two hour sequence with every clip and cut in it would be very unwieldy. Creating a new sequence with ever part of the cut un-nested is really not an option.

I can do tests without nesting, but FCP has been rendering incorrectly in the scene sequence as well, which are not nested. So, that really does not help me. Thank you!

[Doug Beal]

You state that this is the offline. What are your online plans?
If you go into a scratch system for example you will need an EDL
The way FCP handles a nest is that a sequence dropped into a sequence becomes a single event.
your setting yourself up for trouble.
If you have to have sequences per scene ’cause someone is demanding it at least copy and paste the scene sequences into a master sequence and make markers your friend.
Did the now “off the project editor” design the workflow?

Doug Beal
Editor / Engineer
Rock Creative Images
Nashville TN

[Ben Blankenship]

Yes, that is exactly what we are doing. We will be doing final outut utilizing XML’s, Crimson, and Redcine.

Once edit is locked, a new master sequence will be created including all of the scenes content, outputting an XML, and then creating final output using Crimson and Redcine.

The workflow was designed by the head editor who is now off the project. I believe that once final output is ready, he will be back on to manage it.

My problem is not the workflow. It is Final Cut’s rendering. I appreciate your input on my workflow, but it is not my call to start redesigning it. I have had my questions about his choices, too. But, he is the lead editor and I am the associate editor.

Any thoughts you have on the rendering issues will be greatly appreciated.

[Shane Ross]

[Ben Blankenship] “I assume, because it is a two hour film and dealing with a two hour sequence with every clip and cut in it would be very unwieldy. “

Nope. I have cut 4 feature length docs and never nested. 90min to 134min. No issues.

[Ben Blankenship] “Creating a new sequence with ever part of the cut un-nested is really not an option. “

Why not?

[Ben Blankenship] “but FCP has been rendering incorrectly in the scene sequence as well, which are not nested. S”

Go to the USER PREFERENCES in the FCP menu, and in the GENERAL tab, set your REAL TIME AUDIO MIXING to 32 tracks…or 48. See what that does.

Shane

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[Ben Blankenship]

Also, the render errors exist in Non-Nested sequences, too. I am aware of FCP’s finicky nature with nesting, but I’ve never seen an error of this magnitude before.

I am seeing it mis-rendering files across the board, in nested sequences, non-nested sequences, and exported files.

Thanks Again!!!

[Ben Blankenship]

As I said before, The head editor will be back on for final output, making a redesign of his workflow not an option.

I will try to do the preferences adjustment you suggested. Thanks!!!

[Doug Beal]

I understand…fair enough. Old guys react to things they see that concerns them.
You have tried trashing your prefs etc? If not make some notes about your settings and use this
https://www.digitalrebellion.com/pref_man.htm
If you have done that..
If you can get to one sequence that will not playout the mixes you have made and preferably a short one
turn off half the audio tracks and test again. if that works turn on a pair of tracks at a time until it doesn’t work that will be your offending track.
if turning off half the tracks still doesn’t yield success continue turning off half of them and obviously the offending tracks will be in the group you turned off last. it may be corrupt waveform cache files which won’t let you place keyframes or a bad clip. It sounds more like prefs tho. or not enuff realtime tracks enabled

Doug Beal
Editor / Engineer
Rock Creative Images
Nashville TN

[Ben Blankenship]

Thanks!!! That’s all great advice. I did trash the prefs and changed the “Real-Time Audio Mixing” from 8 to 32 tracks, and I got a successful output!

I won’t know the extent of the improvement until editing a little further in the individual scenes, but so far, this has proven extremely helpful.

Also, I will mention your workflow suggestions to the head editor once he comes back on for final export. I have been apprehensive about final output for the very reasons you mentioned, and I have been planning to make a new master sequence just as you have suggested when that time came.

I really appreciate you taking the time to address my issues.

Best of luck,
Ben

[Doug Beal]

Glad you got it resolved. now that it’s working pref manager can make a backup for you that you can restore at will, not if prefs get corrupted but when. Good time to create a backup, when it’s working.
best of luck with your project

Doug Beal
Editor / Engineer
Rock Creative Images
Nashville TN