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  • FINAL CUT EXPORTING CLIPS WITH OFF TIME DURATIONS

    Posted by Please_do_not_use_all_caps_for_your_name_or_when_posting on August 19, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    Hey Everybody,
    I’m having a pretty frustrating problem working between FCP 5.14 & AE 6.5, I think Im in the right forum but if not please let me know. Here is a breakdown of my problem

    Captured and edited a project in FCP
    scene by scene exported the project into AE for compositing & color correction
    brought files back into FCP timeline & the individual clips do not match up to the times of the original edit, some are off by a frame some are off by half a second or so. And here is the weird part they are not consistently off, some are longer than the original clips some are shorter….

    I originally thought, oh a frame rate setting is off but I looked in my timelines and under movie info in quicktime on both my clips before and after AE and everything is off. I seem to have isolated the problem to the export from FCP

    When I open the clip bound for export up in the viewer I get say a duration of 4.02 then when I open it up after export in quicktime movie info I get a time of say 4.08?

    Anyone experience this issue, know what I am doing wrong?, see below for all specs

    DV captured from DVx100A Firewire 2332 pulldown
    Edited in 23.98 timeline in FCP
    Scene by scene export (open apple-A to isolate clip)
    export settings (720×480) “none” compression
    AE timeline & export
    720×480, 23.98 FPS
    “none” compression

    Please let me know if you need more info I wasn’t sure what was relevant

    Tom Wolsky replied 18 years, 9 months ago 2 Members · 11 Replies
  • 11 Replies
  • Tom Wolsky

    August 19, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    Why are you exporting using QuickTime Conversion? How are you setting the frame rate? I don’t see an option for 23.976.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs

  • Im using quicktime conversion to use the no compression feature? What settings would you export that type of footage as? Ive tried the regular export of quicktime files but the quality seems bad when I export as DV NTSC

  • In the export options there is a current frame rate option which I leave alone because the current frame rate is 23.98, I have double checked the framerate of the exported clips in quictime using the movie info dialogue box and it comes up as 23.98

  • Tom Wolsky

    August 19, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    Export as QuickTime Movie. That gives you exactly the same quality as your original material. In AE where you’re doing the compositing you might want to output to a hires format and finish in FCP in a hires format, but for the video itself there is no benefit in upressing on export. You’re just making a bigger file of the same heavily compressed material.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs

  • Tom Wolsky

    August 19, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    Do you have film safe turned on? You might get discrepancies if you’re exporting through multiple edits. BTW, the best way to do this is not to export at all but to use Automatic Duck. Anyone going to AE should use it, and certainly shouldn’t use QuickTime Conversion and go through an unnecessary recompression cycle of already heavily compressed media.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs

  • Im sorry Im a bit of a novice still at this so when you say “film safe” are you refering to safe vs. unlimited RT? In that case I am using Unlimited RT otherwise Im not sure what you are referring to please elaborate and I will check on my project. I also don’t know what “Automatic Duck” is can you please explain this as well?

    Thank you so much for your response

    Danny

  • Tom Wolsky

    August 19, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    To quote the manual: “Intended for telecined clips being used in a program that will be matched back to a film negative. When a clip is marked film safe, the Media Manager trims on four or five frame boundaries (according to the timecode) to ensure that full film frames are
    preserved during the negative cut.”

    It’s probably not relevant to you, but it ensures that cuts are made on an existing film frame and not an imaginary frame created in pulldown.

    Automatic Duck https://www.automaticduck.com/products/piae/

    All the best,

    Tom

    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs

  • I checked out the manual and read the definition, which unfortunately really didn’t mean much to me, I do low budget personal projects that will never be transfered to film. Are you saying I should have film safe turned on? off? I saw that film safe is in a column in the browser but Im not sure where you would turn this on or off. It looks like in my browser that none of my clips are film safe…

    I Also looked up automatic duck which has the exporter for free which is cool, but according to the description you need to buy a $500 importer to use it with AE, Can you use it without the importer?

    Thanks

  • Tom Wolsky

    August 19, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    You have to have the importer to work with the XML files.

    If you’re using 24pa, I assume you’re going for DVD only or film out delivery. Those would be the only reasons to work in advanced.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs

  • Well Thanks for the advice but I can’t afford 500 for the importer, so if you have other advice for the export that would be great, maybe a second choice of export settings for the format I am working in. Im really jsut trying to figure out this discrepency in the time have you seen anything like that before?

    Also can you please tell me how to turn on the film safe setting so I can see if this is the problem? also would this account for clips being different lenghts? it seems like you are saying it counts for timecode variations but does this apply to durations?

    thanks

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