filter order

[John Pale]

Sure there is. Go into your filter tab and drag them

[Rafael Amador]

Filters are always applied before “Motion Effects’.
Motion effects are applied at the same time, so if you rotate and them crop you get the same that if you crop and them rotate.
What you need to do is to rotate, then nest and then crop.
A better solution is to apply a 3D filter and then crop. You won’t need to nest.
There are very good reasons to avoid the “Rotate” function in the Motion Tab. When you use it all the Motion tab effects are rendered “Linear” so the lowest quality available in FC.
use the “Basic 3D” or better, google for “Andy’s Better 3D”.
Cheers,
rafael

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[Dennis Couzin]

Thanks John and Rafael,
My question naively lumped the effects under the Motion tab with filters. Sorry.

The Filters tab does work rationally. Filters can be listed in any order and they are applied in that order.
But under the Motion tab, while it looks like rotation comes before crop, it doesn’t. The Motion tab is special.

OK, using Rafael’s suggestion I can get rotation before crop by using Basic 3D in the Filters tab for rotation; Crop in the Motion tab for crop.

But what if someone really did want crop before rotation. This is what came from using the Motion tab for both. However Rafael warns against using Rotation in the Motion tab for quality reasons.
Luckily it is possible to do it all with Filters. Fake crop each edge by applying the Basic 3D filter twice (the first time moving the center P pixels and the second time -P pixels), and then apply Basic 3D another time for the rotation.

Is every effect under the Motion tab also achievable with some filter? If not, what if I want that effect to be be done before some filter?

Rafael’s warning about the quality problem when using Rotation in the Motion tab is a shocker. Does the FCP User Guide warn us? Is there no ban on landmines for software?

[Rafael Amador]

[Dennis Couzin] “Is every effect under the Motion tab also achievable with some filter? If not, what if I want that effect to be be done before some filter? “
Nesting.
[Dennis Couzin] ” Does the FCP User Guide warn us?”
Yes. The info is from the FC’s Help.
rafael

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[Dennis Couzin]

Rafael, thanks again. I must wait for the editor to return to try nesting. (I don’t know FCP basics.)
I searched the User Manual before asking whether the warning is in it, and I’ve searched again. Is it missing from the FCP 5 Manual?

In Sequence Settings, under the Video Processing tab, you’re offered three choices — Fastest (linear), Normal, Best — for Motion Filtering Quality. It says right on the tab that this is “the filter quality used when rendering motion tab motion effects.” Does the User Manual contradict this?

[Rafael Amador]

Hi Dennis:
The FC manual (Chapt 29/6670 writes:
How Rotation Affects Motion Filtering Quality
When you adjust a clip’s Rotation parameter, the clip is automatically rendered using the
Fastest setting, regardless of the option chosen from the Motion Filtering Quality pop-up
menu of the Video Processing tab of the current sequence settings. For example:
 If you adjust a clip’s Scale, Center, or Anchor Point parameter: The clip is rendered
using the motion filtering quality option chosen in the Video Processing tab of
the current sequence settings.
 If you adjust only a clip’s Rotation parameter: The clip is rendered using the Fastest
motion filtering quality setting.
 If you adjust a clip’s Rotation parameter as well as additional motion parameters: The
clip is rendered using the Fastest motion filtering quality setting because the
Rotation parameter has been adjusted.
I’ve been half hour looking for the text. The FC manual have become really fat:-)
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Dennis Couzin]

Thanks Rafael, you’ve really installed FCP in your brain.
The warning is missing from my FCP5 Manual.
It seems like a program glitch which, once discovered, Apple just documented instead of fixing.

[John Pale]

[Dennis Couzin] “The warning is missing from my FCP5 Manual.
It seems like a program glitch which, once discovered, Apple just documented instead of fixing.”

FCP 5 only has one quality for motion effects, and its not good. FCP 6 introduced the improved quality settings, I believe.

[Dennis Couzin]

In Sequence Settings, under the Video Processing tab, you’re offered three choices — Fastest (linear), Normal, Best — for Motion Filtering Quality. It says right on the tab that this is “the filter quality used when rendering motion tab motion effects.”

John, I reported what I found in FCP 5.1.4. I don’t have FCP 6.