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  • Fields, fields…

    Posted by Alec Gitelman on August 28, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    I’ve recently completed a 30 sec spot for an ethnic cable channel.

    I’ve shot HDV 1080i50, converted it to DVCPRO 1080i50, scaled and repositioned it in a SD PAL Sequence. Final Delivery was in AVID Meridien Compressed 3:1.

    Now, as far as i know and see, all these formats are upper field first. I made sure the sequence was upper too. Now the cable station is saying the fields are flipped, or something of that order (communication with them is limited).

    I checked and I don’t see any problems. However I don’t have a PAL monitor, so I may not see everything. Can something happen during scaling and positioning? I remember removing a few Shift Field filters because I felt they were making the image soft, but now I’ll never remember where and why I did that.

    Does anyone have any advice? If you’d like, you can see the file I sent to the cable station here:
    https://maxf.net/~alichek/cojeco/CojecoCharity30sec_0824_Ch1Specs.mov
    i also suspect they may be needlessly busting my chops.

    I’ll appreciate any advice. I would prefer not to go back all the way to recompressing the original HDV footage.

    Martin Baker replied 18 years, 8 months ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Rory Brennan

    August 28, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    My guess is that you didn’t flip the fields, but rather they need lower (even) fields first. SD PAL is lower field first.

  • Alec Gitelman

    August 28, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    not the case…

    AVID Meridien Compressed Codec with settings:

    Video Format: PAL (720×576/25fps)

    Color Input: RGB

    Resolutions: 3:1 Interlaced
    Upper field first

  • Walter Biscardi

    August 28, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    [alichek] “not the case…”

    Uncompressed PAL, yes.

    DV PAL, no, that’s lower field first.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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  • Walter Biscardi

    August 28, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    What happens if you simply deliver as an Animation Codec project and let them re-render in their Avid?

    I never had luck exporting with any Avid codec on our systems so if I have to send to an Avid system, I simply use the Animation Codec. It’s worked brilliantly here for 4 years now.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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    HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.

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  • Alec Gitelman

    August 28, 2007 at 6:06 pm

    well, i posted their specs, which are what you’ve seen. i wish i could send them animation codec, but i don’t have a direct contact with them, only through the advertising agency that subcontracts me.

    in any case, i’m sticking with upper first throughout. any ideas? i can take it through my avid xpress pro, but that will only add two recompressions to the footage and doesn’t avid use quicktime compression on export anyway?

  • Martin Baker

    August 29, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    Most of the shots are correctly Upper Field but two are Lower:

    2″ – opening door
    15″ – cu girl turning

    Martin
    Digital Heaven, London UK

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