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FCPX Trumps Avid
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[Walter Soyka] “Are you arguing that FCPX should get a free pass because it’s new?”
No Walter, it does’t need anything remotely like a “free pass” – because it’s a competent general purpose editing program right now.
The areas of debate are in extended capabilities and suitability for top level pro tasks – some of which it does really well right now (short form web video, sports highlights, corporate training, etc) and some of which it does poorly or not at all (multi-cam, ProTools round tripping, integration with high end color timing, etc.)
The only question really left is this: will the arc of it’s inevitable development journey follow a “public highway” path where the features concentrate on the needs represented by the majority of the “drivers” in the population – or whether the capabilities that the specialists legitimately require – like the ability to win particular races consistently – will be elevated sooner rather than later to turn it into a better tool for those who need or just want a “race optimized” vehicle.
Nobody’s really arguing it get a “free pass” – which would mean it doesn’t function and therefore has no place in the editing world.
It does, – even if that place isn’t the one people expected it to fill prior to it’s release.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Chris Harlan] “I know of no one in the LA promo world that is considering it.”
Which merely means that if the wide world of editing best reflects the needs of LA promo editors that you hang with – it will have rough going.
If, on the other hand, the wider world of video editing better reflects needs that are NOT always aligned with the specific needs of LA promo editors – then it may well do just fine.
And if it continues to grow and develop (and it’s direct app sale model and the economic strength of Apple give it a superb chance of doing so) then people may change their tune over it’s initial years, just as they did with V1 starting back in 1999.)
Sooner or later we’ll know who had a clearer view of what it takes for an editing software package at the dawn of 2012 to do well in the marketplace.
It will be interesting, if nothing else.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Bill Davis] “Which merely means that if the wide world of editing best reflects the needs of LA promo editors that you hang with – it will have rough going.”
Bill, it is not about who I personally “hang with.” Believe me, it is as discussed in this town as much as it is in this forum, because here it is an industrial matter and important to many people’s livelihoods. There is no room for pie-in-the-sky-well-hey-maybe-someday.
[Bill Davis] “If, on the other hand, the wider world of video editing better reflects needs that are NOT always aligned with the specific needs of LA promo editors – then it may well do just fine.”
As usual for you, you take something completely out of context and turn it into something that is not–with, I might add, your own brand of condescending snottiness. I know of no one, among the posters on this site, who so regularly twists and distorts what others say. If you actually bother to look back, you will see that Oliver was making a comment about advertising agencies, and I was simply reporting back about my local experience. You turned it into something else. Why? Got me. FWIW, the FCPX dismay extends, here in LA, well beyond the world of promo preditors to include pretty much the entire entertainment industry.
[Bill Davis] “And if it continues to grow and develop (and it’s direct app sale model and the economic strength of Apple give it a superb chance of doing so) then people may change their tune over it’s initial years, just as they did with V1 starting back in 1999.)”
This old chestnut needs to be retired. In 1999 NLE was relatively new. v1 had an excuse. A dozen years later, vX does not.
[Bill Davis] “Sooner or later we’ll know who had a clearer view of what it takes for an editing software package at the dawn of 2012 to do well in the marketplace.”
I don’t CARE how FCP X does in the market place. I only care how I do in the market place. If FCP X can ever help me with that, I’ll be on board as soon as it does.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Did we agree once again Steve, or was that a subtle dig? I need to know so I can keep my scoreboard up to date. :)”
It was a genuine reply to a very good point you made.
“My Name is Steve and I’m an FCPX user”
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[David Roth Weiss] “Generalities of one’s own experience, even when it over 30-years, don’t necessarily apply to others.”
Actually that was my point. Your statement can be applied to many posts on these forums. There are editors outside of LA after all. 🙂
NT
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Nick, I’ve been to the far edges of LA. One side is water. The other is sand. To say that there is anything else beyond is the stuff of myth. There are the old stories of whole peoples beyond–out there–but the wisest of us know that such tales are the province of the feeble-minded and poorly educated.
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[Steve Connor] “It was a genuine reply to a very good point you made.”
Great! That’s one gold star for both you and me.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
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[Nick Toth] “There are editors outside of LA after all. :)”
Of course there are. However, the ecosystem here should not be overlooked or disregarded just because it is L.A.
L.A. literally has post-production facilities on just about every street corner, the largest army of well-trained technicians and artists in the world, and more projects cranking at any given time and in every conceivable budget range than the rest of the world combined. So, people do look to L.A. as a real-world test bed for hardware and software.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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Didn’t you all get the memo? There’s a world revolution going underway and it is sweeping us away, everywhere .
They are comprised of a swarm of “potential clients” now looking for FCPX editors fiercely across the web.
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LOL! 🙂
NT
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