FCPX Screams of pain

[Thomas Roberts]

well said Rick. I’m frustrated that SVP Pro does not integrate with any of the RED GIANT Suite of software. I’m going to be forced to switch soon. I need to stay competitive. I’ve loved using Sony Pro, but I gotta make some hard decisions soon

[John Rofrano]

[Rick Wise] “A large number of posters on the Cow’s FCP X forum speak of moving to Premier or Avid.”

I find it ironic that FCP editors are jumping ship to Avid and Adobe and you want to jump onto the sinking FCP X ship. (I guess there will be lots of room on deck with everyone jumping) 😉

I watched the FCP X demos and it finally has features that have been in Vegas since Vegas Video 3. It’s obvious that FCP developers spent a lot of time with Vegas Pro to get it to behave that close. I’d rather be using the real thing than a wanna-be (FCP X). It just confirms that Sony had it right all along.

[Rick Wise] “No one, not a single one, mentions Vegas”

I’m not sure what forums you’re reading but the Apple FCPX – Final Cut Pro X mentions Vegas a LOT!

[Rick Wise] “But it’s the hardware, stupid, or rather the cost of the hardware: That’s the obstacle. “

Yea, the $2400 FCP X dongle (called a Mac) is what puts a lot of people off. I’m sure if Vegas were available on the Mac, FCP users would be jumping to Vegas but unfortunately, Sony put all it’s eggs in the Windows basket and that’s a big barrier to attracting FCP editors.

~jr

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[John Rofrano]

[Thomas Roberts] ” I’m frustrated that SVP Pro does not integrate with any of the RED GIANT Suite of software.”

I believe you have that backwards. It’s Red Giant that needs to integrate with Vegas Pro and they’ve decided not to. This was based on sales figures so the only conclusion you can draw is that Vegas editors DO NOT NEED their plug-ins since they didn’t buy enough of them.

[Thomas Roberts] “I’m going to be forced to switch soon. I need to stay competitive.”

Can you explain how not having one plug-in means you are not competitive?

While major plug-in providers like GenArts and Boris FX are flocking to Sony Vegas Pro you’ve got to ask yourself if Red Giant pulled out too soon? Not having one Red Giant plug-in in Vegas (that apparently no one bought) has not impacted my competitiveness at all. In fact, plug-ins like Boris Continuum Complete 7 have increased my productivity and production value a whole lot more.

BTW, if you jump to FCP X you’ll need to also buy Motion and Compressor to approach the functionality that Vegas Pro already has built in. So I don’t understand this whole argument. You could always buy After Effects and keep using Vegas Pro on your PC if you need Red Giant plug-ins that badly.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Thomas Roberts]

Would love to know what features SVP has had that FCPX now has built in…

[Steve Rhoden]

Switch from what Thomas?. So what if Red Giant doesn’t support
Vegas. If one wants to use Red Giant plugin line, simply get
After Effects, thats what i do. Every editor needs a compositor
in their workflow.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Maker
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Thomas Roberts]

I currently use SVP 10, I had SVP7 with Red Giant Plugins/Colorista…. loved the way it all fit inside sony vegas pro.

Don’t get me wrong, Vegas does some cool stuff, but I have to integrate projects with other editors/producers. They all use FCP, AVID or Adobe.

I like the professional look you get with Red Giant Projects…. so how do you work with AE with Vegas?

Do you edit in Vegas and render to AE?

T

[Mike Calla]

Yep, vegas is a great program. BUT if you are a freelance editor you’d better learn FCP & MAC OS, AVID and possibly PPro – Sorry, it’s just the way it is. Or you build your own business around Vegas. Its a shame though

FCP and Edius are the only ones i haven’t really used and i lose work because of it.

I learned AVID pretty well. It’s got some things Vegas doesn’t (every NLE is like that anyway) but Vegas its a lot quicker to work with, much much more flexible in working style. Things that would take a few key strokes in AVID, are one in Vegas.

Version 7, 9/64 and 10/64 have been rock solid for me. Huge time lines, complex time lines. I render out to AE using uncompressed AVI and cineform, no problem.

There is a HUGE lack of third party hardware and software with Vegas but it’s not Vegas’s fault.

What is vegas’s fault is Sony; A huge VIDEO hardware company(HELLO!!!!), can’t get their heads out of the corporate world where different divisions do not communicate with each other. They could make their own I/O boards, work surfaces, audio hardware..etc.

i spend a fortune on AJA boards:(

[Thomas Roberts]

Which AJA boards do you use? Spent some time at their booth this past NAB……

[Mike Calla]

I use the AJA LHe boards. I bought them so i could work with cineform and have trouble-free-colour-space-HD-output. It doesn’t have HDMI, but i use the HD component outputs to go to Panasonic industrial plasma display and simultaneously to SD CRT broadcast monitors. I’ve never used the SDI i/o…ever…don’t think i ever will.

You know, I have nVidia cards with HDMI and even HD component outs but i can’t find clear answers as to whether there would be colour space issues?

I know a lot of people use Vegas/Windows secondary display but i was never sure if it introduces a whole new set of colour space problems.

If i could get a clear answer “Yes, nVidia, HD-Out has no colour space issues” That’d be great!

[John Rofrano]

[Thomas Roberts] “Would love to know what features SVP has had that FCPX now has built in…”

I was watching Apple demo it and they dragged the edge of a clip to make a fade and the audience cheered. Then they right-clicked that fade to see the fade types and I think a few FCP editors might have fainted. 😉 It was hilarious. The most basic editing features that we Vegas editors take for granted are like magic to FCP editors. Watch this video and see:

FCP on YouTube

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

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