-
FCPX or R15?
-
[Steve Connor] “This is rubbish”
Sorry to have triggered your pavlovian nerve so harshly… but feel free to point out when and where I said that that was NOT possible.
– RK
____________________________________________________
Deutsch? Hier gibt es ein umfassendes FCP X Training für dich!
Youtube | Facebook -
[Robin S. Kurz] “Sorry to have triggered your pavlovian nerve so harshly… but feel free to point out when and where I said that that was NOT possible.
“Sorry I meant this bit
[Robin S. Kurz] “needing an eGPU with TWO beefy GPUs just to get realtime with a few 1080p clips that have effects, on a 2017 MBP?! Over AN HOUR for an 8-minute export without them?”
Based on my EXPERIENCE with R15 over the last few days, That bit is rubbish.
FYI could I just point out once again that I am an FCPX user, I’ve used it since it came out and I’m pretty sure I’ve used it just as much as you have so you don’t have to trigger YOUR “pavlovian response” as well.
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
-
[Bill Davis] “Heck, the last few months, I successfully managed to get XLR wireless audio direct into my iPhone X via the lightening port. I can set manual white balance and focus. The images are commensurate with what I had the first 20 years I spent as a shooter – and it’s always with me.”
Advocating for consumer technology to be increasingly adapted into professional environments is really advocating for a complete disruption of the industry as a whole. These advancements are a boon for guerilla style production done on shoestring budgets but it doesn’t necessarily help the overall industry.
This business has been so rewarding to me personally because of it’s collaborative nature. A group of people with specialized skill sets come together to create an artistic product. Each person contributes a creative piece and the end product is better because of it.
DP’s, field sound recordists, lighting technicians, PA’s, field producers, writers, editors, colorists, sound mixers and many more folks are what drive the business.
I think it bears mentioning that the end goal of technology as it relates to video production isn’t to create an all-in-one product that allows one individual to direct, shoot, light, record field sound, produce, edit, color, sound mix and deliver.
Windows 10 Pro
i7-5820k CPU
Nvidia GeForce GTX 970
Blackmagic Decklink 4k Mini Monitor
Adobe CC 2018
Renders/cache: Samsung SSD 950 Pro x2 in Raid 0
Media: Samsung SSD 960 PRO PCIe NVMe M.2 2280
Media: OWC Thunderbay 4 x 2 Raid 0 mirrored with FreeFileSync -
[Bill Davis] “Basically when the “consumer” level devices – at mass “consumer” level price points – start to functionally out-perform the “professional” devices well, that that’s when things start to really shift.”
If by that you mean an iPhone as a camera or an audio recorder, then BS!!!!!
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
-
[greg janza] “I think it bears mentioning that the end goal of technology as it relates to video production isn’t to create an all-in-one product that allows one individual to direct, shoot, light, record field sound, produce, edit, color, sound mix and deliver.”
Music is instructive in this.
Absolutely, collaborative work is great. Symphony orchestras are WONDERFUL!
You can’t field an orchestra and play that type of music without LOTS of collaboration.But on the other hand, society has equally benefited from the solo artist. The musician toiling either solo or within a very small supportive collective to advance the state of the art.
Once upon a time, you COULD NOT create video without a big team behind you. Today, it’s trivial.
It will not mean the demise of either method of work. It will simply ADD to the ability of both camps to produce quality work, IMO.
Heck, I want both and can’t see any reason why I can’t have both.
Wwe’ve had the big Hollywood studio/network TV system for nearly 80 years now. And it’s record is pretty mixed. Some wonderfully shining examples of art – mixed in with a metric boatload of crap.
Even if this new era of the digital auteur produces EXACTLY the same mix, we still probably get more quality creative output overall.
And what’s wrong with that?
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery. -
[Oliver Peters] “If by that you mean an iPhone as a camera or an audio recorder, then BS!!!!!
“We will disagree on this then.
Anecdotally, my wife has been doing a bit of VO work lately for a client who wanted easy female narration scratch tracks for work we’re producing for some of our west coast clients.
So I did her initial recordings using my typical expensive VO chain. While I was at NAB, they called her for a pickup line. Problem was I had my VO mic and interface with me in case my clients needed work while I was gone. So in a pinch, I had her just stand in our coat closet and use her iPhone with the Voice Record App for the pickup.
She emailed the file directly to the producer, they cut it in, and — nobody ever remarked on any difference.
I thought it might be just their unschooled ears – but I listened to her recording when I got back. Clear as a bell, close to zero noise floor. Excellent recording quality. Once again, I got a long held expectation shattered.
THIS is partly why my Neumann has been resting in it’s case for months. It’s inarguably superior to the relatively inexpensive Rode shotgun I have hanging over my desktop for quick web video vlogging stuff – but in typical use, literally nobody can tell any difference.
There MORE of that coming, IMO not less.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery. -
[Bill Davis] “I thought it might be just their unschooled ears – but I listened to her recording when I got back. Clear as a bell, close to zero noise floor. Excellent recording quality. Once again, I got a long held expectation shattered. “
I have a bit less concern with the iPhone recording audio with the right interface. After all people have been using Zooms for years. But, the functionality of either isn’t there compared with a true, “pro” audio recorder. And yes, there is a difference, but not everyone will hear it.
However, when it comes to cameras, all smart phones camera suck compared to the real thing. The trouble is that people never really make a very discerning comparison. Sure the iPhone X’s camera is great as far as phone cameras go, but it’s still a highly compressed image that doesn’t hold up side-by-side. Just because experimental filmmakers can do a feature or a commercial on an iPhone (including Soderbergh) doesn’t make it superior to a pro camera. But people have been doing that sort of thing since way before “Blair Witch”. It has a place, just like street performers compared to the ballet. ☺
I think what you are missing – and bringing it back somewhat related to this thread – is that folks like Grant and BMD are working hard to deliver a professional product with professional features at a consumer-level price. I’m talking mainly about hardware here. I think there’s a big difference between that and what Apple is doing. Neither approach is right or wrong, just intended for different customers.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
-
[Steve Connor] “Sorry I meant this bit
[Robin S. Kurz] “needing an eGPU with TWO beefy GPUs just to get realtime with a few 1080p clips that have effects, on a 2017 MBP?! Over AN HOUR for an 8-minute export without them?”
Based on my EXPERIENCE with R15 over the last few days, That bit is rubbish.”
Oh, right. Jeff just COMPLETELY FAKED the video. Got it. My bad!
– RK
____________________________________________________
Deutsch? Hier gibt es ein umfassendes FCP X Training für dich!
Youtube | Facebook -
[Oliver Peters] “However, when it comes to cameras, all smart phones camera suck compared to the real thing.”
You realize of course, that no one ever even made any claim even vaguely to the contrary, nor was that the point to begin with?
[Oliver Peters] “Just because experimental filmmakers can do a feature or a commercial on an iPhone (including Soderbergh) doesn’t make it superior to a pro camera.”
There it is again.
“I think this is the future,” [Soderbergh] said. “Anyone going to see this movie without any idea of the backstory to the production will have no idea this was shot on the phone.” It’s the skill of a great artist to turn a limitation into a strength, and indeed, Soderbergh has harnessed the potential of the gizmo in your pocket to create a striking and affecting new visual dialect. Bad news, fellow laypeople: we no longer have any excuse for not having completed a feature film.
[…]
Don’t get it twisted, the iPhone’s no substitute for a 35mm camera; it’s its own thing, and all the better for it.
[…]
… but here, that quality is precisely what makes the iPhone perfectly suited for Soderbergh’s purposes in this film. The iPhone flattens an image’s depth of focus without losing clarity, creating a disorienting effect in which something feels wrong even when the frame is all in order. At times, the amount of visual information that Soderbergh can force into the foreground is somewhat overwhelming, as the brain rushes to decide where the eyes should be drawn. How better to communicate the mental interiority of a woman losing her mind?
[…]
Soderbergh also capitalizes on the lightweight maneuverability of the iPhone for some exhilarating seat-of-his-pants cinematography in the film’s most arresting scene.(emphasis mine of course)
Yeah… HE certainly understands how nonsensical the “You’re only as ‘pro‘ as your equipment!!” notion is. Never asking himself if his equipment is what makes him “pro” or if it’s actually how he uses what he has or… *gasp*… the content? ????
– RK
____________________________________________________
Deutsch? Hier gibt es ein umfassendes FCP X Training für dich!
Youtube | Facebook -
[Bill Davis] “[Oliver Peters] “If by that you mean an iPhone as a camera or an audio recorder, then BS!!!!!”
We will disagree on this then.”
Right there with you. Anyone that thinks recording “pro” audio or video on an iPhone is “BS!!1!1!!” will find themselves veeeery lonely up top their high-horse someday.
When multiple audio sources are involved I’ll usually use an F4. But if only one lav is involved, which is more often than not, then I use a MKE2 Digital with Apogee’s Metarecorder on an old iPhone with AirPods as monitors. Up to 96kHz, 24bit audio all iXML tagged, named, marked and subsequently exported with a FCPXML file for good measure and single click import and organization. I’ve even used one iOS device as the master for up to three satellites, in case I didn’t feel like adjusting levels with my Watch that day.
Oh… but that’s SO “non-pro” and any and every “pro” will catch that it is in a millisecond of listening to it. No question about it. Because one can’t of course use an iPhone as an audio recorder!!1! Silly me. ????
[/s]– RK
____________________________________________________
Deutsch? Hier gibt es ein umfassendes FCP X Training für dich!
Youtube | Facebook
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up