FCPX offers what advantages over Premiere?

[Charlie Austin]

Is this a new trend in topics? lol Here’s one…

It’s more fun to cut in and I spend less time swearing at it and more time trying crazy editorial stuff than any other NLE I use.

Too subjective? 🙂 OK, well…

Filmstrip view in Event Browser
Browser in general, way easier to find stuff
Live, real time preview of all audio and video filters/FX
Much better audio plugins *in the app*
Really great 3rd party ecosystem
no tracks
the inspector, warts and all
clip skimming
snapshots
keywords, collections, smart collections
share destinations/bundles
really great compositing/title stuff built in
retiming/color matching/audio fixes are really nice, and can easily be amped up via 3rd parties
magnetic timeline. really really fast trimming of cuts to time etc
compound clips (not nests!)
cleaner UI
quicker access to setting for audio configs, video settings
live waveforms
embedded audio, access to components in *any* clip including masters
No Tracks… oh, did i say that?
Generators, built in and from Motion
No mode switching for subframe editing

gotta work… I’ll add more… 🙂

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[John Davidson]

The media browser. The ability to build motion template filters and effects is pretty amazeballs too. Does premiere let you publish directly to Youtube or Vimeo from within the application?

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[Chris Frantz]

Yep, premiere now does let you publish to those sources via media encoder (which is easy to do with a batch export, wink wink).

The motion template is cool, but the only time I’ve ever used the custom one is to create a batch lower thirds or slate. You can use ae projects and publish them with text you can manipulate in Premiere. Most other effects are just workarounds for things you can do natively in Premiere (adjustment layers anyone?).
Premiere has a pretty fantastic media browser as well, I might even say a better one as you can have multiple open and explore all kinds of different media types.

[Charlie Austin]

[Chris Frantz] “Premiere has a pretty fantastic media browser as well, I might even say a better one as you can have multiple open and explore all kinds of different media types.”

It’s awful, and to be fair, it’s not just Premiere. Anything that requires you to have multiple panes open, bins upon bins upon bins really just pales in comparison. Open a bin with hundreds of sound effects, and find a few options that have real sharp attacks, a quick peak, and then tail out. In filmstrip view in X I can find them all in about 30 seconds just by looking at the waveforms. Anything else… preview everything.

Find the shot of a clock face that is “somewhere” in one of 6 reels in one of 3 versions of feature. Again, 30 seconds in X. In anything else you’ll be scrubbing through everything and hoping you don’t miss it. You may need to play it all in FF.

Totally different league

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[Bradley Jones]

I can think of a few outside of the ones you’ve mentioned.

*A mezzanine codec for proxy and optimized workflow (Both NLE’s have a de-bayering option but proxy can make editing in remote locations very easy).

*Auditions are a very unique and handy feature for X

*Smart Collections: Adobe just mimicked this with search bins but they are not nearly as powerful and robust as the smart collections in X.

*Round tripping with Resolve: While both NLE’s can roundtrip with Resolve just fine, with the latest updates X has a few advantages as far as translating speed changes, keyframes and even some plugin effects.

*The Plugin world around X: This is huge, because they built X around Cocoa releasing a giant plugin market that sprang up overnight not to mention the custom templates you can publish via Motion. Anywhere Apple is lacking, this market fills in the gaps.

*Keyword Collections: Another, very powerful way to organize media around metadata that is far more robust that the classic bin structure.

*Storyboards: Being able to pre-biz an entire film using placeholders before you ever step foot on set is a great feature.

*The Magnetic Timeline: This is maybe a matter of taste, but once you master the magnetic timeline the speed and ease of editing can be greatly improved. The fact you don’t have to worry about throwing clips out of sync is a huge deal. There are still some advantages to track based editing but those are few and far between.

There’s advantages and disadvantages to both, I edit with both NLE’s and I’ve slowly fallen in love with X. Premiere is a better all rounder but X is so forward looking that despite a handful of shortcomings, just makes editing a far more pleasurable experience.

[Chris Frantz]

I’m not sure why you would have a single bin with 100’s of SFX not organized any more than that, that seems like a FCPX problem where there’s only a few layers of organization. Events, folders, keyword collections. 😉

[Charlie Austin]

[Chris Frantz] “I’m not sure why you would have a single bin with 100’s of SFX not organized any more than that, that seems like a FCPX problem where there’s only a few layers of organization. Events, folders, keyword collections. ;)”

I don’t. I have a library that has thousands of SFX all nicely organized with KW collections. I have the same “project”, with the exact same structure using bins which I use in Pr and FCP 7. It’s so much easier for me to find things in X even with the detailed organization. Not even close.

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[Chris Frantz]

Filmstrip view in Event Browser > Options to zoom in on waveforms in Premiere, none in FCPX
Browser in general, way easier to find stuff > Subjective, Premiere has more metadata options as well as more organizational options.
Live, real time preview of all audio and video filters/FX > This is one! I’ve never tried it with the audio, never occurred to me. Might have to give that a go.
Much better audio plugins *in the app* > Subjective, metering options are better in Premiere.
Really great 3rd party ecosystem > There’s less stuff missing in Premiere 😉
no tracks > I’ll leave this be
the inspector, warts and all > Premiere has something similar “Effect controls”
clip skimming > Premiere has this in a few places but no skimmer in the timeline
snapshots > Duplicating sequences, advanced versioning, etc. are all on par
keywords, collections, smart collections > Smart collections are much like smart searches which premiere has. Keyword collections are nice 🙂
share destinations/bundles > Send to media encoder, same deal
really great compositing/title stuff built in > Titling is better in FCPX, but I do most titles in AE regardless of the NLE, I think most people do. You can edit your AE project text in Premiere btw.
retiming/color matching/audio fixes are really nice, and can easily be amped up via 3rd parties > Retiming is great, Premiere has the retiming tool which is pretty effective but FCPX wins this one IMO.
magnetic timeline. really really fast trimming of cuts to time etc > This can be replicated pretty quickly in Premiere, and also comes with the option of not having everything ripple.
compound clips (not nests!) > I guess, but you can have a nested timeline open simultaneously while editing in your primary one in Premiere which eliminates any advantage FCPX might have. Maybe not though, what else am I missing?
cleaner UI > You can move UI elements in Premiere. It can quickly become cleaner or messier than anything else. And it doesn’t come with a magic wand icon which is a plus for me.
quicker access to setting for audio configs, video settings > I guess, but it’s a matter of a click or a remapped keyboard shortcut in Premiere.
live waveforms > This is cool in FCPX, but something tells me it’s what contributes to all of FCPX’s waveform lag. They have to redraw all the time as a result.
embedded audio, access to components in *any* clip including masters > Explain further?
No Tracks… oh, did i say that? > Heh
Generators, built in and from Motion > All available in Premiere, well they don’t have blobs or bubbles I guess…
No mode switching for subframe editing > It’s a click away.

I won’t bother with listing the Premiere pro’s I think that thread underneath us is doing that better than I could.

[Charlie Austin]

[Chris Frantz] “I won’t bother with listing the Premiere pro’s I think that thread underneath us is doing that better than I could.”

Well, you should use Premier then. I’ll defer to your years of experience.

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[Jim Wiseman]

[Charlie Austin] “Is this a new trend in topics? lol Here’s one…

It’s more fun to cut in and I spend less time swearing at it and more time trying crazy editorial stuff than any other NLE I use.

Too subjective? 🙂 OK, well…
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etc.,etc…

You must be holding it right!

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