FCPX offers what advantages over Premiere?

[Chris Frantz]

The proxy workflow is slick when it works. No argument there. Auditions are also cool, but I can count the number of times I’ve used them on one hand. Sure Adobe added the feature and it doesn’t have everything in it yet, but if you take a look at the metadata options in Premiere you’ll see the future is bright. Round tripping with Resolve is great, Premiere can do it too, and can also send an entire project to Speedgrade which is getting updates at a faster pace than FCPX. Less need for so many plug-ins adding features that other NLE’s have by default. Keyword collections are slick, so are bins ;). Storyboards are cool for some, I can’t see ever using them in their current iteration however. Magnetic timeline is a cool option, which there should be a toggle for. I can ripple a cut in premiere pretty easily.

[Chris Frantz]

And I have clean folder structures I can import right into Premiere that will turn into bins and start working right away as opposed to figuring out how to interpret sub-folders into keyword collections. That for me is a way faster workflow and worth the price of a good AE or media manager. Btw Charlie, nothing personal here, you’re a great resource for this community and I’ve sent other prospective FCPX editors articles of yours before.

[Eric Santiago]

Love this post 😉

Of late due to the update on a few Mac Pro’s here to CC 2014, the ability to burn a Blu-Ray has vanished on the Premiere Pro side of things (well Adobe period).

I can do that in FCPX but not as effective as Encore (love pop-up menus).

What gives Adobe?

I have to re-install CS 6 to get it back now.

And when I try finding it online, it kicks me to install Premiere Pro CC 2014 which does not have any options to Encore?

[Tony West]

This is a good thread to show how many things Prp has copied from X

A tip of the hat should go to X for that for starters.

The connected clip structure of the X TL lets me move huge chunks of the story without even selecting them. In a doc where the story is not set I like moving lots of elements around the TL to get a feel how they will play. Stuff staying in sync and moving out of the way is a bonus but it’s moving huge chucks around with ease that I like.

They can copy the skimmer a bit but this one will be hard to copy with tracks.

X is missing some things but you are paying for only what you use. It’s the argument that has been made against cable for years. People who don’t want to pay for channels they don’t watch. for me I prefer it that way, that’s not a negative.

X you buy it and you’re done so it could wide up cheaper so to me the pressure is on Prp to be much better than X to justify the subscription. It can’t just be equal.

[Dennis Radeke]

[tony west] “This is a good thread to show how many things Prp has copied from X
A tip of the hat should go to X for that for starters.”

Sure, hat tip. But it cuts both ways and frankly ingenuity comes from all different kinds of manufacturers. At the end of the day, a healthy competitive market is good for users! This forum exemplifies that many of you use multiple NLE’s based on the job or the requirements. For the manufacturers, Apple, Avid, Adobe, etc. all end up winners.

As for Adobe, we’ve had our share of firsts which may or may not matter to you. Some of the big ones off the top of my head are:

– First major NLE to be 64-bit native (extra big if you consider Apple owns the OS)
– First major NLE to utilize CUDA and OpenCL in new powerful ways
– Best of class closed captioning – a legal requirement for broadcasters
– Best of class format support both import and export along with native or DI editing choices

So, everyone’s a winner, though it won’t do anything to stifle the debate! 😉

Dennis – Adobe guy

[Scott Witthaus]

[Chris Frantz] “seems like a FCPX problem where there’s only a few layers of organization”

You’re kidding, right?

Scott Witthaus
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[Kevin Monahan]

Hi Eric,

[Eric Santiago] “Of late due to the update on a few Mac Pro’s here to CC 2014, the ability to burn a Blu-Ray has vanished on the Premiere Pro side of things (well Adobe period).”

You can create a DVD or Blu-ray disc with Encore CS6, which is still available for sale or via subscription to our customers. The only thing missing is dynamic link capability with current versions of CC applications, which (as I understand it) is not a deal breaker for most people authoring discs.

Can’t you plug-in an external Blu-ray burner to the new Mac Pro?

[Eric Santiago] “I have to re-install CS 6 to get it back now.”

That’s right. You need to install Premiere Pro CS6 to receive Encore CS6 (and AME CS6). After Encore is installed, you can uninstall Premiere Pro CS6 if you do not need it. You can also choose to keep it installed in case you really need to edit using dynamic link capability with Encore.

[Eric Santiago] “And when I try finding it online, it kicks me to install Premiere Pro CC 2014 which does not have any options to Encore?”

If you purchased Premiere Pro CS6, you can download it here: https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/cs6-product-downloads.html

If you are a CC customer, you can download it from Creative Cloud for desktop under “Previous Versions.” This doc will show you how: https://helpx.adobe.com/encore/kb/encore-cs6-installed-cc.html

Thanks,
Kevin

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[Mark Suszko]

[Eric Santiago] “I have to re-install CS 6 to get it back now.”

That’s right. You need to install Premiere Pro CS6 to receive Encore CS6 (and AME CS6). After Encore is installed, you can uninstall Premiere Pro CS6 if you do not need it. You can also choose to keep it installed in case you really need to edit using dynamic link capability with Encore.

So, you’re saying, Premiere is the dongle if you need to use Encore? Kinda like how it used to be that Premiere was the dongle if you wanted AfterEfects (ducks, runs)

[Tony West]

[Dennis Radeke] “a healthy competitive market is good for users!”

I couldn’t agree more Dennis. I appreciate all the work you guys are doing at Adobe

[Dennis Radeke]

[Mark Suszko] “So, you’re saying, Premiere is the dongle if you need to use Encore? Kinda like how it used to be that Premiere was the dongle if you wanted AfterEfects (ducks, runs)”

😉

No, Premiere Pro isn’t the dongle at all. It is just that it didn’t make sense to make a separate installer for Encore (it is built into the Premiere Pro CS6 installer).

As for Premiere Pro being the dongle for After Effects, no I don’t think that was ever the case. Back in the day, we sold a lot of standalone AE licenses to those folks who didn’t care for NLEs at all or weren’t interested in using Premiere Pro. If you wanted the CS suites before Premiere Pro started its rise among NLEs, then you likely purchased it for AE, Photoshop and likely a bit of Illustrator. Encore became very useful as folks exited the DVD market (especially on Mac) and Audition has always had a loyal following.