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FCPX now the only major NLE without BRAW support
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[Craig Seeman] “Apple gains nothing by excluding BRAW support and increases the possibility of the move to Windows as editors move to other Mac NLEs with BRAW and then have the opportunity to easily move to Windows when it comes time to make new purchases.”
I doubt I’d ever move to Windows but I’ve shot nothing but BRAW in the last six months and, as much as I love FCPX, that’s meant editing in Resolve for all that time. I now have two machines where I haven’t even bothered installing FCPX. I’m sure there are plenty of others out there doing the same.Blackmagic’s new version of their Video Assist monitor/recorder adds BRAW support to the Panasonic EVA1 and the Canon C300 II with more cameras to come. If Blackmagic stick to their plans, BRAW is certainly going to become an option for a lot of shooters going forward. I’ll be interested to come back in a year and see how many cameras have a BRAW option vs a ProRes Raw option.
I’m sure Blackmagic are actively working on getting Apple to add support for BRAW but Apple haven’t felt the need to add support for any other raw format (CDNG for example) so I’ll be surprised if they feel any urgent need to add BRAW either.
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[Joe Marler] “For anything above single users, I don’t see an immediate near-term move from FCPX to Resolve or other NLEs based solely on presence or absence of BRAW support.”
Arguably such facilities or workgroups are editing in FCPX but grading in Resolve. Unless they have physical infrastructure tied to collaborative workflow (another area Resolve had been focusing on), ending the round trip and possible collaborative improvements certainly may be a very strong motivator if this comes along with the move to BRAW.
[Joe Marler] “Blackmagic is developing Resolve very rapidly and BRAW is proliferating rapidly. The glacial development pace of FCPX has got to improve.
“Yet another reason why a facility may consider moving.
[Joe Marler] “I don’t think groups were abandoning Avid for Resolve due to lack of BRAW support,”
I’m not sure if the few ProRes RAW users felt locked into FCPX but they can certainly consider moving to PremierPro and Avid.
Unless a facility was entirely FCPX based rather than a mixed environment, these moves away from FCPX are probably easier then in the days were NLE moves meant major workflow and possible infrastructure changes.
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[Jeff Kirkland] “Blackmagic’s new version of their Video Assist monitor/recorder adds BRAW support to the Panasonic EVA1 and the Canon C300 II with more cameras to come. If Blackmagic stick to their plans, BRAW is certainly going to become an option for a lot of shooters going forward. I’ll be interested to come back in a year and see how many cameras have a BRAW option vs a ProRes Raw option. “
Recently at IBC, Atomos CEO Jeromy Young said they have ProRes RAW working on 15-16 cameras, and they expect about 30 cameras by end of next year:
I don’t know his list of cameras, but but I see on Adorama they have “ProRes RAW Atomos/camera kits” available with the Canon C300 II, Panasonic EVA1 and Sony FS5. Also supported are the Canon C500, Varicam LT, Sony FS7 and FS700. ProRes RAW is available on the DJI Inspire 2 with X7 camera, the Nikon Z6/Z6 (November), and will be available early next year on the Panasonic S1H.
Jeromy Young also revealed the 8K files used at WWDC to demonstrated the Mac Pro were recorded on an Atomos Neon at 8k/60 in ProRes RAW from this prototype Canon 8K cinema camera: https://images.app.goo.gl/6B5pDSsYkqUFyZZEA and in the future Atomos would support up to 4k/120 ProRes RAW from the Sony FX9.
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[Michael Gissing] “adding extra codecs might limit the scope of what the cameras other processing or operational software can do.”
Then there’s the EVA1 which can only do 5.7K when recording to PRRaw. Similar conditions with various other cameras (FX9 anyone?). So actually the exact opposite is clearly the case.
[Michael Gissing] “and personally I won’t want ProResRAW.”
Only that PRRaw is actual RAW, B”RAW” isn’t. But to each his own I guess.
[Joe Marler] “That said, if Apple doesn’t further increase the momentum behind ProRes RAW, they could end up in a position like Intel when they temporarily refused to advance the x86 CPU to 64 bits. “
Not sure how anyone can argue that PRRaw is the one behind the other by any stretch. How many major camera OEMs actively support PRRaw? How many B”RAW”? Exactly. Which has been supported by more NLEs and grading apps etc. first/for longer?
And it’s not even like the VAST majority even actually NEED raw or even have any real knowledge of what it means. For 99% it’s little more than a “nice to have”. So to shoot in a format that you can’t even read in post just… because??
And it would seem to me like a lot of people are grossly overestimating BMDs position in the market, especially if we’re talking about the high-end. That being the only area of the market that is relevant in the end to establish a new standard, as ProRes has done before. With a lot of the exact same counter-arguments seen in 2007 as well. I guess history does repeat itself.
[Joe Marler] “It could include significant performance tuning for FCPX on high-core-count hardware…”
Apple has already stated publically that the next update will be completely rewritten to support Metal 2, which covers all the bases, yes.
[Jeff Kirkland] “but Apple haven’t felt the need to add support for any other raw format (CDNG for example)”
Huhwha? ???? I’ve edited cDNG sequences many times over in both FCP and Motion.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “I’ve edited cDNG sequences many times over in both FCP and Motion.”
Have I missed something? Last time I tried, you had to do a whole lot of messing around because FCPX saw the cDNG folder as individual still frames rather than as a single video clip like other NLEs would, which made it a miserable experience. I couldn’t figure out any other way to make it work but I’m always happy to learn…So what was I doing wrong? How do I get FCPX to recognise the cDNG folder as a video file? Or has this come in an update and I haven’t noticed?
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[Joe Marler] “I don’t know his list of cameras, but but I see on Adorama they have “ProRes RAW Atomos/camera kits” available with the Canon C300 II, Panasonic EVA1 and Sony FS5. Also supported are the Canon C500, Varicam LT, Sony FS7 and FS700. ProRes RAW is available on the DJI Inspire 2 with X7 camera, the Nikon Z6/Z6 (November), and will be available early next year on the Panasonic S1H.”
Given that Blackmagic has announced support for Canon’s C300 Mark II and Panasonic’s EVA-1 with their Video Assist, I think it is likely that they will add the other Canon and Panasonic cameras that have ProResRaw support (C500, Varicam LT and S1H). Likely leaving Blackmagic RAW with many more devices in the field supporting it. Until we start to see adoption of one or the other in (other companies’) cameras, it will be impossible to pick a winner.
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