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FCPX is so completely weird, it makes Motion look sane. And no one will hire you by the hour for either of them.
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[Baz Leffler] ” I suspect for similar reasons why Apple will one day (soon) be filing for a divorce with the rest of the world. “
I see Wes Anderson directing that story. Jason Schwartzman arguing before the judge.
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[Baz Leffler] “Remember, the Roman Empire was once great and they fell”
That took about 600 years in the west and about 1500 years in the east, so given that range I figure Apple will sign up for that analogy.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Bill Davis] “I presume you’re talking about the multi-cam thing I was discussing in the other thread?”
Yes.
[Bill Davis] “Keywording to “bucket” the clips into song/takes with the biggest win. Setting up a folder let me tag any clip I dropped into it as part of a Song and Take was hugely efficient since it resulted in a folder where everything about that “take” was isolated. Command A and “Make Multi-clip” instantly set up my post switch session in seconds.”
Organization is always crucial, but since I haven’t tried X I don’t know if I’m really missing anything there.
As far as making a multi-clip in Legacy you select the clips you want, hit the hotkey, done. I don’t think X is any faster in that respect, although I do suspect that being able to edit the multi-clip after you’ve created it is a big advantage for X over Legacy.
[Bill Davis] “Next, the “no arbitrary beginning or end” nature of X’s magnetic timeline meant when I ran across the “street scene” that the steadicam guy had captured without my knowing it, I could toss it at the head of my timeline to add an opening sequence and the magnetic timeline let me keep working without worrying about any downstream damage.”
You can insert a take and ripple a timeline without any downstream damage with any timeline I’ve ever seen or heard about. If your afraid of rippling you can throw it at the end of your timeline to work on later. Don’t see what this has to do with X.
[Bill Davis] “Also, it was great to be able to see a possible cutaway shot that might not have been IDEAL slap it into an AUDIITION – knowing that if I saw other candidates, I could add them to the audition and decide later which might be best. With that much footage, it was like having a visual scratch pad attached to the points where I had problems in my developing edit.”
I’ve loved the idea of auditions since I first hear about them. Currently I stack extra takes on additional video tracks and flip between them using the enable/disable hot key, but it’s definitely not as slick.
[Bill Davis] “Legacy was always change – then render – then continue oriented. X is work first – THEN render (if required) – oriented.”
Yes, a big advantage for both X and PPro.
[Bill Davis] “There’s were plenty of other wins and losses along this particular project’s path, but my original question was really “will X choke with lots of mixed cameras and lots of complexity” and I got my clear answer. NO.”
I’m glad you had such a positive experience with it, but I was responding to this quote from your previous post:
[Bill Davis] “I know for a fact that the complex multi-cam stuff I was able to do with it a few months ago would have reduced Legacy V 2 into a smoking puddle of goo.”
Given your description of the project, you could have easily transcoded everything into ProRes and then cut it in Legacy without missing a beat. I suspect you never tried using the multicam feature in Legacy, and that you have as much knowledge of how it would handle your edit as I do of how X would handle mine. I see no smoking puddle of goo, just a statement made in ignorance.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “Given your description of the project, you could have easily transcoded everything into ProRes and then cut it in Legacy without missing a beat. I suspect you never tried using the multicam feature in Legacy, and that you have as much knowledge of how it would handle your edit as I do of how X would handle mine. I see no smoking puddle of goo, just a statement made in ignorance.”
I think you missed my clear reference to Legacy V2! I was comparing where X is now – to where Legacy was at the same place in it’s development – less than 2 years young. We can only imagine where X will be after the same 3 to 4 years it took legacy to grow out of being something most editors dismissed – to eventually grow into something that most editors ended up building careers on.
Your tendency is to always to compare what X is now – to the Legacy you find it necessary to hold onto.
I know this speaks to your on-going anger at Apple. But honestly, many of us didn’t want to keep pining for the gal who left us – and have moved on. I know some can’t. And some just won’t.
I do suspect there are fewer and fewer folks who find it satisfying to compare everything the’ll ever do to what used to be. It’s been way over a year. Time to accept while Legacy was cool for it’s era, it’s now gone.
The editing world knows that Apple reset the clock.
I’m glad to live in the present and look forward to the future. And am delighted to have moved on from the past.
YMMV.
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[Baz Leffler] “Remember, the Roman Empire was once great and they fell; I suspect for similar reasons why Apple will one day (soon) be filing for a divorce with the rest of the world. Pride will be their demise.”
Wow, you kinda saw my analogizing and raised me some serious anthropomorphizing.
Now Apple is both an empire and a single hive mind capable of a human emotion like pride.
Is this that Citizens United thing again? Is Apple actually a “people” after all?
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Haha Aindreas you are the Rhino charging through the house.
I have said this before and say it again: I have the feeling some of you who are charging by the hour maybe don’t like FCPX, because you would use less hours?! You seem like the coaldiggers on electrictrains.Secondly….I simply don’t see the point in your post. There have been tons of discussions all ending up the same way.
We use FCPX and yes we are a small team, but we have gotten our few freelancers to use FCPX and we even have directors who now bought FCPX so they can review rushes, roughcuts etc, and they all LOVE it once they get a decent training with me. Who we are? Very small but we use FCPX and Motion (and AFX and ProTools and Resolve) for clients like Red Bull, Swarovski, Garmin etc. So stop calling us amateurs and yourself soooo professional. You start pissing me off with your biased trolling.
I also wonder if you all get paid by the hour how come so many here have time to be active in dozens of threads with dozens of lengthy FCPX-bash-posts……are your machines rendering so much to give you time for trolling? I have too much work to do in FCPX….and since it never renders…..or never stops me while rendering….
Haven’t you been the guy who said there was no FCPX at the Olympics? Well by now I know of several networks using it there. Belgian national TV comes to my mind and a few agencies who made nice promotional stuff. So what is your agenda being the Rhino? Paid for it?
Can’t you just understand that FCPX is a tool that works for many? If I am a cab-driver who has a BMW I don’t go to the Mercedes forums and tell them their cars are unusable. But why do some here do this? I just don’t get it.
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[Baz Leffler] “1. Release FCPX as iMovie Pro
2. Continued development of Final Cut Pro”
1. They could alsio have called it Edius/Liquid/Filemaker pro
2. They did. And when they saw the media-world is going somewhere else, they adapted.
The one HUGE mistake they made was EOL-ing FCP. Had they kept FCP7 officially alive and given users time to switch, it would have been different. They opted to go the tough way for everyone. I have no idea what their reasoning was (licensing of FCP? manpower?), but I guess they are typically american: once a project is failing, drop it and put 100% into the new. That is how they handle products, be it hardware, software or even tv-series. If you don´t reach your sales you are dropped.
So is FCPX in danger? Of course, once they would see it doesn´t´sell they might drop it.But I doubt it will ever sell low, given its features to an extremely good price.
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[Bret Williams] “Premiere may quit support Apple again tomorrow, and Avid might be out of business. Who knows”
I think a far more likely scenario is that, if anything, Apple drops OSX and moves over solely to iOS.
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[Gary Huff] “I think a far more likely scenario is that, if anything, Apple drops OSX and moves over solely to iOS.”
They are already half way there…..but if it is a bad thing is the other question, because we don´t know what a desktop-iOS is capable of. And in 1970 nobody could imagine doing anything with a little grey plastic-thingy with two buttons called mouse, let alone a trackpad….so maybe touchscreen editing will be superior to our conventional current ways.
I couldn´t even imagine a phone without buttons in 2005, even 2007 when I saw the first iPhone…and now I couldn´t leave home without one. -
i have no excuse, its habit at this point.
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