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FCP X at the NAB Supermeet – Thomas Grove Carter live edit demo.
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[Bill Davis] “D) At least a decade behind Mocha which is licensed everywhere including for X for years already.”
Mocha shipped with After Effects CS6… how do you know that Adobe isn’t currently licensing Imagineer’s technology?
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[Steve Connor] “Yes but Resolve still has those “turn of the century” tracks, with all the clip collisions and track patching problems that plagued us all for years……apparently”
I said at the beginning of the X debate about mag timelines to avoid clip collision was that there was another way which added a great way to keep the organisational aspect of tracks without worrying about the overwrite problems.
Clip layering is the Fairlight way and when you get the hang of it you will understand why I though the original magnetic timeline was a limited clumsy way to solve that problem. Clearly Apple thought so too so they developed roles and lanes to try and put back in the power of track and bussing processing. Lots of X editors think there is still room for improvement. Fairlight in Resolve however gives editors what I have always considered to be a superior solution with the advantage of keeping a better method of visual organising and practical processing at the four levels required – clip, track, bus, master.
But try it for yourselves. To really unlock the speed and power of Fairlight I recommend using their control and mixer panels. That really is key to ergonomic efficiency and real operator speed.
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[Michael Gissing] “Clearly Apple thought so too so they developed roles and lanes to try and put back in the power of track and bussing processing.”
I like the no clip collisions in X but what I like as much if not more are those connected clips. That always seems to get lost when folks talk about the X timeline.
Now after adding “Lanes” (for whatever reason they did it) the X timeline has the best of both words.
The speed of swapping groups of shots, no coalitions , and the organization of tracks when you want it.The upside for Apple having their timeline so different is that they have that group to themselves, and the track NLE’s have to fight amongst themselves for the same people who want tracks.
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[Bill Davis] “F) Call SmartSound. They want their 1990s tech back.”
Soundbooth had some really cool features but it was dropped.
[Bill Davis] “Still having trouble seeing much actual “innovation” in a list like that.”
What has FCPX done other than the trackless based system? I am not saying it does not have merit but what else did Apple introduce? Apple certainly did not invent native editing, GPU acceleration, 64 bit, metadata or background rendering.
[Bill Davis] “Lots of fine ideas, don’t get me wrong. They’re just OLD good ideas and nothing moving any bars very far IMO..”
I think we are confused about the innovations of FCPX. Premiere Pro supported the Red One native R3D codec long before FCPX. I don’t think FCPX has anything like Adobe Anywhere which might be a bigger asset to some people’s workflow than the trackless system of FCPX. Same could be set about editing VR projects.
[Bill Davis] “Actual innovation takes PERMISSION to innovate. But I still have trouble seeing the public facing part of said innovation in a company that seem focused on asking for what kind of painting the mass audience wants – before they set up the easel.”
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[Bill Davis] “IMO, that’s likely to get you a lot more Thomas Kincade – and not very much Picasso.”
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I think one thing that is missing in all of these nonsensical threads debating Apple vs the rest of the world is the notion that the debate itself really doesn’t matter in 2017. It’s primarily a subject relegated to niche forums like this one due to the fact that there’s a variety of options and all of those options are good. Adobe vs Apple vs Blackmagic is really not a competition at all. It’s only a competition to the sales reps of these companies.
I have no real loyalty to Adobe even though I’m a very happy creative cloud customer. Fifteen years ago I was a very happy Avid editor and then I became a very happy FCP editor. The point is that the tools are irrelevant. It’s the end product that matters. The tool set is just a means to an end and that tool set can change over time.
And if these silly debates must rage on, can each company’s pricing structure be removed from the equation? The notion of debating a product that is practically free from every company makes no sense.
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[greg janza] “It’s primarily a subject relegated to niche forums like this one due to the fact that there’s a variety of options and all of those options are good.”
I agree and I have said that many times myself but some people feel the need to give FCPX more credit than it deserves.
[greg janza] “I have no real loyalty to Adobe even though I’m a very happy creative cloud customer.”
Me neither. I don’t have the need to pretend Adobe is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Adobe has made some boo boos.
[greg janza] ” Fifteen years ago I was a very happy Avid editor and then I became a very happy FCP editor. The point is that the tools are irrelevant. It’s the end product that matters. The tool set is just a means to an end and that tool set can change over time.”
I ‘m hip. We will soon stop editing video and start editing holograms.
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And if these silly debates must rage on, can each company’s pricing structure be removed from the equation? The notion of debating a product that is practically free from every company makes no sense.”I agree they are silly at times but they can also be fun at times.
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[Bill Davis] “Still having trouble seeing much actual “innovation” in a list like that.
It’s mostly all stuff that’s been around for decades. “You asked for examples of innovation, but yet you refuse to accept those that are offered. Instead you provide third-party alternatives. The examples cited have not been around for decades in their current form. All are examples of workflow improvements that are built in natively into the apps. Using Mocha is not the same as having built-in masking with tracking for every effect. SmartSound only works with their own tracks, not any tracks. As far as relinking, it’s not just about linking to your media, but also changing which media a clip is linked to within the user’s control.
I should add that in spite of your rebuttal, there’s not a thing on that short list which Apple has been able (or chosen) to do.
[Bill Davis] “Actual innovation takes PERMISSION to innovate.”
That’s a real joke. When did Apple ask anyone’s permission for anything?
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What we are doing is discussing the pros and cons of these NLEs in order to give people who come to the forum more information about the products that they might no know.
I learned about X by reading information online about it that I previously didn’t know and then decided to try it out.
I find that when I show people the tools in X most times they like it a lot.
If people are happy with whichever app they choose I’m happy for them. I think all of these programs are very nice.
[greg janza] ” these nonsensical threads debating Apple vs the rest of the world “
I would say coming to an Apple “Debate Forum” and asking why people are debating in it is more nonsensical then the debate inside the “Debate Forum”. But then you and I would have to “Debate” that Greg : )
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[Oliver Peters] “Thomas is indeed fast and knows the app well, however, he’s given this presentation quite a few times. Obviously he’s got it down.”
I recently had the pleasure of working with him (again) in London and yes, he is the fastest X editor. Period. Not only is seemingly every imaginable shortcut second nature to him (let alone every function), but he has added extensive shortcuts of his own to speed matters up even more. But of course next to his unparalleled TECHNICAL expertise, he’s just plain a superb editor. The fact that he uses X may not be what gets him his jobs, but it certainly is a contributing factor to him getting REbooked.
Oddly, people that pay the bills love FAST. ????
– RK
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