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FCP vs. Sony Vegas….you’ve got to be kidding.
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[Brody Dolyniuk] “Careful though….lot of very defensive FCP users here.”
Not really. When someone comes into this forum lamenting what Final Cut Pro can’t do and lists all the things they’re used to, it’s obvious that person didn’t do their homework.
Vegas handles a lot of prosumer type of stuff because it’s just not used very much in broadcast (not at all to my knowledge, I’m sure it is, I just don’t know anyone using that way.) So it has an “everything in / everything out” workflow.
FCP and Avid follow a much more rigid workflow catering more to broadcast and film requirements. So the availability of codecs and workflows is more limited. You have to work within the strengths of the application, not try to make it do something it can’t.
As Shane says, nobody is forcing you to switch to FCP. That’s a choice you made, and you can always switch back to Vegas via Bootcamp on the Mac. I still don’t understand how people jump into Final Cut Pro without a basic understanding of the workflow and limitations of the application. There is so much information and forums like these on the web there’s no reason for folks to be surprised by what it can and cannot do.
Right now, when CS5 is released, Adobe Premiere will out-perform FCP in some ways and daVinci Resolve 7 will be pulling folks from Apple Color. We’re going to have both in our shop as soon as they’re available because some jobs are going to call for those applications over FCP. That’s how you set yourself up to be able to handle anything. Multiple tools in the toolbox.
Just ask Shane. He bounces back and forth between Avid and FCP. In some ways he prefers Avid, in others FCP. But he uses both because it’s better to have both tools handy.
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Brody
It is difficult to switch from any NLE to another when you are so used to one platform. That being said, my experience with FCP has been all you said AND MORE! Final Cut Pro users always boast how FCP the industry standard – but if you take into account how long it takes and how many moves it takes to make simple adjustments in audio levels / clip trimming, etc then I cannot justify the extra expense in cost of time it takes to edit the same length projects in Vegas and in FCP. It becomes a matter of finance and Vegas wins that issue everytime. Say what you will to defend FCP but it is unfriendly, laborious, and completely inflexible for my taste. ……Oh…..and I DO edit complete 30 minute and 60 programs for Broadcast Television using SONY VEGAS – -every week, cost-effectively and with great quality,resolution and no issues.
Charlie
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Stop the bashing already…it is pointless. You found the NLE that works for you…that you are comfortable with. So use it. What can you POSSIBLY gain by coming here and saying “FCP sucks…Vegas Rules!”?? Nothing. I won’t switch to Vegas…I like FCP and Avid too much. They work for me, and fit my comfort zone.
Don’t switch from an NLE because you heard that FCP is the industry standard. It isn’t. There is no standard…there are multiple industries, and multiple NLEs for each one. In Hollywood, Avid and FCP rule. But in other markets, Premiere and Vegas are dominant. WHO CARES what you use…as long as you get the job done, and deliver what the client wants.
DO you see us FCP users hopping onto the Vegas forum saying how much FCP rules and Vegas sucks? Well, I don’t really know, I don’t visit that forum. But I highly doubt anyone is. By coming here and saying “Wow, FCP really sucks…Vegas pwns!” what you are doing is trying to tell us that what you are using is SO MUCH BETTER than what we are using. You are trying to brag. Trying to show us up. Well, have fun trying…I for one am done.
Why did I even respond? It’ll be to the wall…
Shane
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Having been using both I can agree that it’s really about the right tool for the job. If all that’s needed is throwing a few clips into a timeline, adding titles, audio tracks and simple cross dissolves, which for a lot of folks is about all that’s needed, then Vegas seems to be a tool that I would want to be using. If I was working in a collaborative team of a number of different people, doing extremely complex work and ingesting everything that any client could throw at you, then I’ve found that the sheer number of FCP users out there makes it almost a must to know and work with. Similarly, many pro sound engineers seem to gravitate to Pro Tools (at least in my neck of the woods). There are many other sound engineering tools available, but if you are a working professional musician, and you want to just hand over tracks you record at home to mix with your bands’s engineer, then you buy Pro Tools, struggle through it’s professional level interface, (read a tweak for every need), or you pay the hourly rate.
That said, I’m about to post a question about why, after two hours of work and numerous Save All projects, that I’ve lost all my bin logging because of some endless loop snafu that required a Forced Quit to FCP in a long clip I was transfering… FCP can be very frustrating…something I’ve never *yet* experienced in using Vegas…
Alf
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[Alf Hanna] “after two hours of work and numerous Save All projects, that I’ve lost all my bin logging because of some endless loop snafu that required a Forced Quit to FCP in a long clip I was transfering… FCP can be very frustrating…something I’ve never *yet* experienced in using Vegas… “
Well, that isn’t normal behavior. FCP doesn’t normally crash after 2 hours, and when it does, it doesn’t normally lose all of the bin information. I have had FCP crash on me a few times, and I have never had that behavior. It is something I have *yet* to experience with FCP. If FCP acted like this for everyone, I don’t think ANYONE would use it, due to sheer frustration.
You can do things like Trash Preferences and REpair Permissions with Disk Utility. It might be a bad install of FCP, so you can try the FCS REMOVER from https://www.digitalrebellion.com, and then reinstall the app. Or it might be something deeper that would require a fresh install of everything, OS and apps.
Shane
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Thanks. I’ll give those a try.
Alf
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Permissions checked, no problem there…sigh…
Alf
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you don’t check permission, you delete and FCP makes a new one.
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Hey guys,
I appreciate all the response this has generated. It seems I’m not alone in my opinions about some things.
Taking all into consideration, we can agree to disagree on our favorite platform. Obviously many people have found uses for FCP that are deeper than the basic editing functions, and that’s great. What would be greater yet is if FCP, as the industry standard editor, would also handle those basic functions for us everyday users…..I’m sure we can all agree on that. Why have to convert files via 3rd party programs before working with them in FCP when you can just drag something in and let the rendering process take care of that?
Same goes for having to render things like text and transitions….FCP should be able to handle that without batting an eye.
A great program should be easy to use, handle the everyday tasks with ease, and then be able to go deep for the more serious editors.
I’m saying this not to piss anyone off, but to maybe stir up something for the FCP developers so that they can cater to everyone and be the clear leader. This is a forum about Final Cut, so I brought my thoughts about it here. That’s how any product gets better….through feedback and refinement.
For the record, I made the switch to Apple Logic and am very happy with it. I’m hopeful that one day I’ll make FCP my single choice for video editing. It’s not there for me just yet.
Peace out.
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If you have comments for Apple post to feedback. That’s what it’s for. Posting here does nothing except make you seem like a troll.
All the best,
Tom
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