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FCP destoyed my original footage.
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And what have any of you to offer in the way of expert advice other than the lazy answer of “NLE’s dont alter original footage”?
Im not looking to start a flame war with anyone, but dont give me flip answers and call yourselves experts. FCP screwed me with its shoddy programming, deliver a viable solution or get off your thrones.
My workflow = 35mm->telecine->in house davinci CC->harddrive transfer->FCP->garbage.
But hey, were all human here, if i had paid for an NLE system for the same price that i could have built five windows equivalents, i would be pretty defensive too. But i’ve learned something today thanks to all you fine gentleman, its not apple your defending, its bad decision making.
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[Mark Raudonis] “Troll!”
I’ll 2nd that…
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Solutions were offered. Contact the post facility to see if they happen to have the footage backed up there. Re-telecine the film.
Once a quicktime file has been altered in the way you describe, that damage is permanent. Information is missing…black bars on the top and bottom of the image. There is no way to recover that information.
OK…just because no one here has ever heard of your issue ever happening doesn’t mean that FCP didn’t cause it. What seems logical to us is that it was some sort of pilot error…which happens, as you said, everyone’s human. But let’s say for arguments sake that FCP did alter your footage in this way. Then this is EXTREMELY rare. None of us has ever heard of this happening. So if this happened once to the one person out of a million that own FCP, then it is far from common, and hardly due to shoddy programming. It could have been caused by some random glitch. The solution is to re-telecine the footage. Ask the post house if they could cut you a deal because of this odd error.
And then back up all your footage so that this doesn’t happen again.
If FCP was so shoddy than professionals wouldn’t be using it.
Shane
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[ed sully] “And what have any of you to offer in the way of expert advice other than the lazy answer of “NLE’s dont alter original footage”?”
That’s because they don’t. The very nature of Non-Linear Editing is non-destructive editing. The original material is never altered unless you save a file with the EXACT same name that has some sort of changes made. Then you would end up with a file with the same name, but altered.
[ed sully] “Im not looking to start a flame war with anyone, but dont give me flip answers and call yourselves experts. FCP screwed me with its shoddy programming, deliver a viable solution or get off your thrones.”
Apple has some shoddy programming in the application and they have some features that are just terrible and they also ignore the fact that some very basic workflow issues are being ignored in lieu of “newer and better” features.
But in this case, shoddy programming did not alter your files. Some sort of operator error has altered your files.
[ed sully] “My workflow = 35mm->telecine->in house davinci CC->harddrive transfer->FCP->garbage.”
Somewhere in there is an operator error.
[ed sully] ”
But hey, were all human here, if i had paid for an NLE system for the same price that i could have built five windows equivalents, i would be pretty defensive too. But i’ve learned something today thanks to all you fine gentleman, its not apple your defending, its bad decision making.”Five Windows Equivalents? That can edit uncompressed HD and 2K for the price of One FCP System? Wow, I really need to find that because I thought building three complete FCP HD, 2K systems for the price of 1/2 an Avid Symphony was good.
Ed, it’s obvious you don’t want any further help from us. We’ve fully explained that FCP, and in fact all NLE’s, do not alter the original media files for no apparent reason. The operator (either you or someone else along the way) has done something to cause the files to change OR you’re looking at the wrong files.
Not sure which it is but I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
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Am I the only one that feels that if I were sitting in front of Ed and his system with his capture scratch, the files from cc, and his render files (and the ability to view modification and creation dates) that I could decipher what happened very quickly? Ed, get an actual FCP editor over there for an hour and see what is going on. Your emotions are getting in the way of reason. Can’t blame you. You’ve got a new system and to you it appears in every way that FCP has done something to your files. You need an objective 3rd party to check it out.
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As has been said FCP CANNOT modify master clips – it’s an issue that has NEVER appeared on any forum – you have made a mistake somewhere or the original telecine was in letterbox and you didn’t notice.
Get someone in who knows what they are doing and for heavens sake back-up your files in future.
Steve Connor
Adrenalin TelevisionHave you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.
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Can’t you just look at your original media files on your capture scratch??
Get out of FCP…go to your capture scratch and look for the media. Play them). see how they look like.
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I can also tell it was the work of FCP because i noticed that there was a certain fuzzyness to the edges of the “widescreen” effect bars, whereas using slugs gave a sharper edge.
Would this not imply it was not the work of FCP. Where did FCP find some fuzzy edged widescreen effect to apply to your original “unbacked up” files?
As has been said many times by experienced users in response to your post “FCP cannot do this”.
The fuzziness could be the edges of the telecine gate or full frame camera gate. You may not have noticed this looking at a widescreen monitor during grading, it could however have been saved as such after the grade. There is the possibility that this is how the original file was delivered to you and the error occurred prior to you loading it to your media drive.
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A good thing to do is to check the creation and modified timestamp of the files that you think has got altered, and compare those with some of the files that is still unaltered. Very easy to do in Finder. Just mark the file and press cmd+i or right click on the file and choose “show info”. There you can read exactly when the file was created and it was supposedly modified.
This will not help you to restore your originals but will indeed show if you missed checking this particular reel. And if they has not got modified since the Davinci wrote the originals to the drive you know that it has not been a fault from either you or your software and you may force the transfer house to get you new originals for free.
Good luck!
Cheers!Peter Brauner
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[rich krysz] “Can’t you just look at your original media files on your capture scratch??
Get out of FCP…go to your capture scratch and look for the media. Play them). see how they look like.”
I think he did:
“I opened the original footage outside of FCP and found to my horror that indeed the letterboxing effect had been permanently applied to one of four rolls.”
Dean Sensui — Hawaii Goes Fishing
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