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FCP 7 to AE CS4 (AutomaticDuck) Hummmm? Sounds a little iffy.
After a lot of searching in previous COW posts, it appears that once you have finished editing all your imported clips, audio, treated with FCP effects (and 3rd party plug-ins) etc., and now you want to go to AE to put in additional effects the best way is AutomaticDuck.
Well, went to AutomaticDuck’s website and their user manual was last updated in June 2007 for FCP 4.1. Watched their FCP to AE demo movie and they didn’t even touch on how the audio comes in. Plus in their compatibility update w/3rd party plugins in FCP, basically some effects may come over and some may not.
So for a $500.00 program this seems a bit iffy to me.
We’re just now bringing online another a new Video Work station. A Mac Pro running 10.6.2 (snow leopard) We also run FCP 7 and AE CS4. In FCP & AE CS4 w/ have installed several 3rd party plugins: Noise Industries-FxFactory Pro, Noise Industries-Yano Box Motype, Core Melt V2,
AND in just FCP 7 we also have Tiffen’s DFX film filters.We shoot P2.
So have things changed at all since 2007 on how to get different clips or a whole sequence into AE?
Or, how are you guys with all the hundreds of different clips in a time line in FCP and you want to apply some AE magic to certain places in that timeline…how are you doing that?
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Hi Martin,
Yes very expensive, but is the only way to bring a complex FC sequence to AE.
If you want to send a more basic sequence (cuts and don’t know if something else), you may try this free script:https://www.popcornisland.com/after-effects/final-cut-2-after-effects/
Its works.
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Hi John,
That Boris plugin looks well. However still a bit expensive.
I think that these software companies would make more money if they would drop the prices.
With a reasonable price even people don’t really in need of the plugin would buy it.
I think they would make more profits.
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[Martin Jordan] “So for a $500.00 program this seems a bit iffy to me.”
If so many of us recommend it, what sounds iffy? It’s a solid program, has been for many years. The audio just comes in with the video. You get your entire timeline in AE. Automatic Duck has a solid reputation in the industry and I’ve been a user of their tools since they’ve been around.
You can also look at the new tool from Boris FX that was released last month.
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Hey Rafael,
Yeah, that Popcorn script is not a good option.
Do you use AutoDuck w/FCP yourself? I’m assuming so.
Does it bring over audio clips synced and everything?
Any problem w/3rd party effects applied in FCP like the ones I mentioned in my first post?
You know…the one thing that I’m really concerned about is, OK, Duck brings everything in to AE fine. OK…you apply certain effects to certain clips and now you output. Well the way i understand it, when you render & export from AE I can create a .mov of the whole thing. Now when the client looks at it and wants some revisions (say to the way type tumbles in or something) I don’t see how you could make any revisions. You’d have to go back to FCP, bring everything back into AE, apply those effects again and make the changes etc. and output again. Boy what a horrible work flow.
You thoughts?
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[Martin Jordan] “You know…the one thing that I’m really concerned about is, OK, Duck brings everything in to AE fine. OK…you apply certain effects to certain clips and now you output. Well the way i understand it, when you render & export from AE I can create a .mov of the whole thing. Now when the client looks at it and wants some revisions (say to the way type tumbles in or something) I don’t see how you could make any revisions. You’d have to go back to FCP, bring everything back into AE, apply those effects again and make the changes etc. and output again. Boy what a horrible work flow.”
That’s how AE works. It creates a Movie of your work, not individual clips.
If the client requests a change, you go back to AE, make the change, render just that section of the work, edit it into your original rendered movie.
If the client changes shots, you send those shots in AE, apply the effects, render out and edit those back into your original rendered movie.
It’s a pretty simple workflow. Been using AE with Media 100 and FCP since 1996 and that’s pretty much how it works.
If you want complete control over every single clip, then you stay in FCP.
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Hi Martin,
I tried years ago a freebee version that comes with Combustion 3.
The truth is that didn’t worked too well. But this was long ago and I know that now works well.
I agree with Walter and with you: 500 hundred is an abusive price, but is a matter of productivity. If your work imply sending more or less complex sequences to AE, in a competitive market, you will get your investment back almost on the fly.
I would have a look to the Boris. Good products and affordable.
Cheers,
rafael
PS: here where I live, for 500 US$ you can hire a guy,for a couple of months, to rebuild your FC sequence in AE.
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Not ever working w/Duck before it was kinda hazy to me on how this workflow worked. That’s why I said ” sounds iffy”.
Thanks fellas for the detailed explanation.
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Mac user since 1988.
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