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Activity Forums Apple Final Cut Pro Legacy FCP 6 disappointment – same old media/capture tool

  • Matt Riley

    April 16, 2007 at 4:53 am

    [Bill Marcellus] “If you haven’t used this program (and it appears that you haven’t) it TOTALLY blows the doors off of any color correction tools within any Avid short of a full out Nitris. Of course, a Nitris costs considerably more than $1295 (or $499 for the upgrade).”

    I use an Avid DS every day and I can tell you that color correction isn’t exactly one of its strong suits. I actually find Color Finesse to be superior to DS’s color corrector in many ways. There is no real-time secondary color correction in DS (and the “selective” color correction is really just a hack built from a simple tree). What DS does kick butt in is effects trees, media management and speed. Raw speed.

    Color (neigh, Final Touch) is something to get VERY excited about. The fact that Apple chose to leave it as a separate app means a couple of things. One, that Color is strong enough to stand on its own. And, two, that Apple “gets it” when it comes to a collaborative workflow in a boutique facility (one artist working on the edit, one working on the color, etc. rather than a one-man-band approach).

    Yes, FCP 6 seems like it received the least amount of attention in the studio package, but I think the integration and the addition of a real pro-level color grading app more than makes up for it.

    -Matt

  • Andrew Kimery

    April 16, 2007 at 5:53 am

    I don’t think it’s aimed at news exactly. It sounds like a way to keep track of all your digital assets from a single app using meta data. Kinda like how iTunes keeps track of all your music and gives you a nice GUI to use to find it all instead of pecking around in Finder.

    The company I currently work for generates about 1 terebyte of media a week (everything from DVCPro HD to DV to still images) and right now we are using a folder based organizational system on an xSan for all 14 of the editors. If FC server works like I think it will we won’t have to drill down thru multiple folders looking for assets. We’ll just do a search for what we are looking in FC server then drag the asset(s) into FCP. A common “gray area” problem we have right now is if we shoot person X at event Y do we file the footage away by event or by content? W/FC server it won’t matter because once the asset is in the system (w/appropirate keywords and other meta data) we can look it up just like you can look up a piece of physical media in an app like PilotWare. I’ve worked on reality shows where something like this could come in very handy as well.

    Also as tapeless acquisition and digital slating moves forward the need for cataloging physical media will disappear and we’ll have to keep track of image files and QTs instead of tapes and CDs.

    -Andrew

  • Sean Lander

    April 16, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    Has anyone actually seen a demo of FCP 6’s capture tool?
    I was hoping for an update too, but am still blown away by Color.
    Once learnt this will be a whole new stream or earning power for us.
    I’ve already worked as a grader on many projects. Didn’t want to but I just
    seem to be the one that people call.

    So if you want to separate yourself from the pack, I’d learn Color until it’s
    like the back of your hand.

    I bet it will be a license to print money.

  • Adam Claude jones

    April 16, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    “If FC server works like I think it will we won’t have to drill down thru multiple folders looking for assets. We’ll just do a search for what we are looking in FC server then drag the asset(s) into FCP.”

    Isn’t it like the search feature in Windows? 😀
    If you name it right and know the name of what you are looking for, just type in the search box and hit search. Hehehe

  • Andrew Kimery

    April 16, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    “Isn’t it like the search feature in Windows? 😀
    If you name it right and know the name of what you are looking for, just type in the search box and hit search. Hehehe”

    If that analogy was going to be made it would work more like the “spotlight” feature in OSX which is more more powerful than the search/find feature in Windows. 😉 A normal desktop level search can’t utilize metadata and can be pretty slow compared to searching done in database apps (which is essentially what FC server is). FC server won’t be needed by everyone (especially smaller shops), but I’m looking forward to seeing what it can do as organization by folder and filename is limiting and clunky.

    -A

  • Sean Oneil

    April 18, 2007 at 7:15 am

    [Kevin Wild]
    Have you had a need for it before? It’s horrible. Try telling it to delete all unused media except for what you have in a sequence. I cannot believe they didn’t change this…it’s the #1 complaint for the past 5 years.”

    What are you talking about? There was a bug where it wouldn’t work if the media was already offline. But they fixed that a long time ago. I use “Delete Unused Media” constantly. It works. End of story.

    Sean

  • Sean Oneil

    April 18, 2007 at 7:21 am

    [CharlieX]
    Color? I get all excited about decent color tools in FCP6, only to find out it a “round trip” application. And then “round trip” to Motion for compositing tools.

    Nothing has changed. Might as well stick to FCP 5, After Effects, and Combustion at this rate.”

    Charlie, I love all your posts on this board. But I think you’re nuts on this topic.

    “Nothing has changed”!?! Maybe it’s just not relavant to the work you do, but they had me at Mixed Formats. That alone is huge.

    Then there’s ProRes. This is a KILLER feature. A near-lossless codec. I’ve been geri-rigging Final Cut to use Photo-JPEG for a long time. That’s how important it is to have virtually Uncompressed quality at 1/20th the size. Not only does this have major benefits to the size and speed requirements of your storage, this means you can have full quality HD running over a SAN. Even an ethernet based SAN like what I use.

    As far as the round trip thing, you do have the option to leave these applications open at all times if you want to waste the RAM resources. When they’re already open, it’s not really much different than opening up the 3-way.

    Sean

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