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FCP 10.1.2 Where are you?
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[Oliver Peters] “In any case, I see absolutely no correlation between CION and FCP X”
There isn’t so I’m not sure why you seem to single it out.
[Oliver Peters] “The same person who buys a Panasonic 250 or a Canon 7D probably isn’t the customer for the CION, even if the body cost $0.
OTOH, if you’ve already invested in a C300, for instance, and have the right pieces and glass, then adding a CION to the arsenal for 4K work might not be a big stretch.”
But the body is thousands less than the higher tier cameras and I know some who will cut corners on the body before they cut corners on glass… if a corner needs to be cut. The price difference might cover part of the cost for another lens. As you certainly know, good glass has much better longevity than camera bodies.
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[Craig Seeman] “There isn’t so I’m not sure why you seem to single it out.”
I didn’t. Tony did.
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It looks to me like Tony didn’t either. He just pointed out the the CION ad singled out FCPX by using it rather than some other NLE. IMO that’s the intriguing point.
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[Oliver Peters] “A fraction of the amount of X users will ever come close to a CION.”
…and Media Composer, Premiere, Vegas…
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[tony west] “They must think CION users may cut on X
That’s why they put it in that ad”I doubt it. AJA has a very tight relationship with Apple and a number of their products are and have been co-developed. They have also licensed ProRes for use in the camera by way of the KiPro technology. It’s in their interest to cross-promote Apple products, especially when Apple is making a big deal out of 4K. They certainly aren’t going to stick Resolve into the ad 😉
– Oliver
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[Oliver Peters] “[tony west] “Who is the CION aimed at?”
CION is aimed at the uppermost tier of this industry. It lacks ENG features and requires very expensive glass. It is geared to film DPs. A fraction of the amount of X users will ever come close to a CION.”
I’m not so sure that’s entirely correct, Oliver. I agree that this camera is aimed at filmmakers, but it seems like more of a budget “cinema camera” that isn’t aimed at DSLR shooters. I see it as an owner/operator/inexpensive rental camera. I think there’s a lot of pent up demand for sub 10k cameras that; have better than DSLR ergonomics, shoot lightly compressed CODECS, have greater than 8bit color depth and have professional i/o options (HD-SDI, phantom powered XLR, TC, etc). Higher dynamic range also seems to be higher on the list for budget digital cinema shooters than it used to be. I think the CION meets all of these requirements, as does the Ursa… if it ever ships. 🙂
[Oliver Peters] “I doubt it. AJA has a very tight relationship with Apple and a number of their products are and have been co-developed. They have also licensed ProRes for use in the camera by way of the KiPro technology. It’s in their interest to cross-promote Apple products, especially when Apple is making a big deal out of 4K. They certainly aren’t going to stick Resolve into the ad ;-)”
Totally agree, AJA has always been an Apple centric company. I don’t see their use of FCPX in an ad, as a sign that they ‘know something’ that the rest of us don’t. 🙂
Shawn
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[Shawn Miller] “I agree that this camera is aimed at filmmakers, but it seems like more of a budget “cinema camera” that isn’t aimed at DSLR shooters.”
Sure. We are probably saying the same thing. I’m going with what the AJA folks said in terms of their design criteria. Namely, that it’s a camera designed to make DPs happy.
[Shawn Miller] “Totally agree, AJA has always been an Apple centric company. I don’t see their use of FCPX in an ad, as a sign that they ‘know something’ that the rest of us don’t. :-)”
Also, according to AJA, this camera was in development, from concept until now, for 5 years. A bit before FCP X 😉
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[Oliver Peters] “[tony west] “They must think CION users may cut on X
That’s why they put it in that ad”I doubt it. AJA has a very tight relationship with Apple and a number of their products are and have been co-developed. They have also licensed ProRes for use in the camera by way of the KiPro technology. It’s in their interest to cross-promote Apple products, especially when Apple is making a big deal out of 4K. They certainly aren’t going to stick Resolve into the ad ;-)”
I don’t know O, I usually follow your logic on these threads but you lost me on this one.
They wanted to put a product in their ads for their new camera that they think nobody wants to use?
They don’t believe in X, but they decided to just stick that product in their ad?
Uh uh
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[Dennis Radeke] “When lots of FCP7 type users and Avid users cried out for an audio mixer they were used to, we delivered the Clip Mixer. “
And I totally dig it, btw! I find a mix of both approaches both unique and very, very useful.
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[Chris Harlan] ” I find a mix of both approaches both unique and very, very useful.”
Chris,
I’d be interested to hear the how and why if you have general principles about using one or the other.
Also, would a simple mode toggle work in theory?
Franz.
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