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Falling seriously out of love with Apple
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[eric pautsch] “….and can we can the name of the post house in the UK that uses MPEG Stream Clip for all their compression needs so we can not send our work there? If true, that’s so sad beyond words! :)”
Have to agree with you on this one….
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“Foul Water, Fiery Serpent” featuring Sigourney Weaver coming soon.
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[walter biscardi] “……Compressor and BitVice are the two you really want to use with BitVice the most superior compression that I’ve seen….”
Walter, have you seen a side by side comparison between m2v files from CinemaCraft and the other encoders (including Bitvice)?
CinemaCraft leaves them for dead!Cheers
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A lot of you seem to be under the impression that we are trying to encode to mpeg 2 with DVDSP, rather than compressing it first then sending it for authoring.
We are not. In my first post, I stated that we have tried many, many different ways to encode and author, using Compressor and DVDSP, none of which have met my quality control standards. Other software has, and without the fuss.
I dunno. Maybe what’s acceptable to you guys isn’t acceptable to me.
And Ron, I never said optical media was the future. It just would be nice if on the odd occasion that we do get a request for Blu-Ray, we could provide it without having to outsource.
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[Neil Weaver] “And Ron, I never said optical media was the future. It just would be nice if on the odd occasion that we do get a request for Blu-Ray, we could provide it without having to outsource.”
you can do basic BluRay discs with Compressor.
You can do more basic BluRay discs with Encore.
Both on the Mac and you can do both without outsourcing. Or if you really need a fully authored BluRay, then DoStudio from NetBlender.
We have all three here.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“Foul Water, Fiery Serpent” featuring Sigourney Weaver coming soon.
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I haven’t seen CinemaCraft, but I do use bitvice when I do encode mpeg2. Somewhere around here I have a side by side of text encode which is BitVice vs Compressor. Let me see if I can find it.
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Thank you Jeremy, I think you’ve proved my point.
The Compressor output is not, in my book, acceptable to give to a client. To be honest, I couldn’t see much if any improvement with the BitVice export either.
Here’s what we did yesterday which yielded perfect results – for the video anyway.
Created the m2v inside Encore and it was a thing of beauty, even at 1920. We then brought the m2v into DVDSP to author because we needed a subtitle track and being new to Encore and with the deadline looming, it was simpler to do it in DVDSP which we know.
Here’s where it gets interesting. The video authored perfectly and looks great, exactly how we want it. But both the text in the menu – created in DVDSP and authored by DVDSP and the subtitles text are blocky and just ugly. Passable, but only just – and only because it’s on the menu/subtitles and not the video itself.
I had a read through the thread before coming up with the workaround we eventually settled on and I gave up on it, because frankly all the suggestions to Tim were stuff we’ve tried many times before and are basically just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
Given that 30 odd posts from a number of industry professionals didn’t result in the simple aim of the software not giving crappy results, that kind of tells me the issue is the software.
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[Neil Weaver] ” I stated that we have tried many, many different ways to encode and author, using Compressor and DVDSP, none of which have met my quality control standards. “
Did you tried using Short/Open GOPs on Compressor?
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Then I think it’s time to find other DVD authoring software. DVDSP is old and hasn’t been updated in years, literally. I don’t use it for master DVD encodes, in fact I hardly use it all anymore.
Talking price, FCP is still a good deal. Sometimes you have to buy better tools. In fact we pay 499 Euros a machine (currently $640) just so we can have native MXF capability because FCP doesn’t support it. PER MACHINE. But it’s a tool we use every single time we start up FCP and are glad that it works so well. It bring a level of capability and sophistication to FCP that isn’t native to the suite and any cost of the software is made up in saved time. It truly is the cost of doing business for us.
Some people will pay for CinemaCraft as it’s worth it to them. Same thing.
DVDSP shouldn’t be recompressing anything, if it is you might not be using the software appropriately. Your graphics/menus should be compressed as MPEG2 movies. Any menu transparency/navigation is created as PSD files that are then keyed. By no means should you use DVDSPs built in text generator. It’s no wonder that you are getting bad results. You need to author the DVD properly.
Jeremy
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DVDSP is just a DVD authoring tool. It conforms to a specification which has been in place for years and was conceived nearly 20 years ago. There are no updates needed. It is what it is. As authors we use the technology given to use the best way possible. In other words, there are no “upgrades” in DVD. Make sense?
Neil…your not a DVD author…its just that simple. I’m not a cinematographer or an editor so dont feel bad. The reason why your discs look like crap is because you dont fully understand the underlying technology of DVD or the correct workflows needed.
DVDSP is not a design tool. It has these feature caters to the average joe who maybe wants to make neat little menu for their kid’s birthday party. The only changes I would like to see DVDSP make is to remove all the menu design features.
Your equating the quality of your streams with DVDSP. They have nothing to do with each other. Why would you drop a QT into DVDSP and let it do the encoding? Cmon guys, you’re professionals!! Use professional encoding tools and workflows and please dont blame DVDSP or Apple…jeesh!
I just think its funny how thousands of other people in the world have made beautiful, much better looking discs than YOU, using DVDSP – yet YOU blame the tool….HILARIOUS!!! 🙂
Eric
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