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Falling seriously out of love with Apple
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[Paul Carlin] “It’s time we all man up and buy products from companies who are actually working on improving their product line. For offline, Avid. For finishing, Smoke and Resolve. For everything else, the Adobe Suite. These are your best bets for long term return on your investmen”
Colin,
While this is true, this happens just since few months ago.
I’ve been working with FC for 8 years.
This really has been LONG TERM RETURN INVESTMENT. I can wait few to see what Apple does.
About Smoke (15K?), I hope that Autodesk do not make the same that they did with Combustion for Mac few years ago.
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[Paul Carlin] “No support for Blu-Ray (Yes, sorry to break it to you, but Blu-Ray won the battle).”
A better way to say this, Paul, would be that “Blu-ray won the right to be the last ‘hard’ mass format to die before digital files completely replaced them.”
Sure, there will be ‘hard’ formats for deliverables in some cases and for a few other instances, but just as MP3s have replaced CDs for music sales, the same is happening in this market, as well.
But I’d agree with you that Blu-ray should have been on the Mac years ago. “Give the people what they want,” goes the old adage. But at this point in time, Blu-ray is all downhill from here on out.
I have noticed that most stores in our area have very small and limited Blu-ray displays. The brunt is still SD DVDs. In some stores, the Blu-ray section is smaller than it was 12 to 18 months ago.
In another 5 to 10 years, there won’t be DVDs and you’ll have to buy them the same way that audiophiles buy LPs today. They exist, but it’s hardly a mass market.
Best regards,
Ronald Lindeboom
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The discussion is not about the LAST eight years, but about the NEXT eight years. We are talking about the future and you are too busy thinking about the past.
Apple did the industry a great favor by introducing FCP. They single handedly changed the industry in a major way enabling people with power that was once beyond their financial reach. But again… That was the past. As Janet Jackson once asked, What have they done for you lately?
The fact is that if Color doesn’t support the Red Rocket soon, a lot of people are going to buy a Resolve. If your purchase decision is in the next month, this is a serious concern. If your purchase decision is “I can wait to see what happens” then that changes everything.
And to all of you who say, “Then don’t use it, go buy something else”. That is simply hogwash and you know it. That is a child’s reaction to an adult conversation. That is the written equivalent to plugging your ears and making stupid noises. We should be free to state our legitimate* opinions about software freely. If you don’t like the opinions, then say so and back it up. If I don’t like the food and service at a restaurant then I will most likely not eat there again. But I have every right in the world to Yelp about it and make others aware of my opinions about the restaurant as well.
And yes, $30K was an exaggeration.
*Legitimate means you have educated experience with a product.
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The day that Toshiba stepped aside and let Sony have the field, Toshiba’s share price went up and Sony went down.
I haven’t been asked to do a bluray for a client yet and I often only do a quick and dirty real time to a DVD recorder for a client review copy. I was thinking of getting a stand alone real time BluRay recorder for the same purpose, but I am waiting for a need. DVDSP has never impressed me, but I consider authoring commercial DVDs to be best left to pros with design sensibilities and the best encoders. My most common handover is HDCam, digi beta and now a ProRes HD file of the final.
A colleague who was in the DVD R media game from day one has virtually retired and just supplies gold disks for hi qual archiving.
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Hi Paul,
You are right that we have to look to the future, but having work on this for 27 years, I can not avoid to look to the past.
What you see as a dramatic situation, for me has a positive face. The upgrade of all these application (that for so many years have been behind FC), can only lead to Apple to revamp FCS or kill him.
Time for FCS to evolve or die, but having work on Mac (publishing) since 1985, I don’t gonna loose my faith in Apple from one day to de next.
Cheers,
rafael
PS: About BR (I have a BR burner) I sincerely think that is death. SD cards are cheaper, faster, smaller and with no moving parts -
OK, Folks….
This has turned into a flame war of sorts. Look… Here’s what it is. There are many many choices on the market to do video editing. We all have our individual workflows and not all software is going to fill ALL of those needs. FCS works fine for my company. Does it need updating? Sure, but it works, IF, you know how to use it. Are there other pieces of software out there that are better? Again… Yes, there are but they come at a higher price than we are willing to invest.
Neil… It sounds to me that you really need to look at your workflow and decide if something else would be better suited for your needs. But blowing off on Apple because their software was designed specifically for your is ludicrous.
Do your research? Find one person out there that can use one software suite ONLY to complete all of their workflow needs. I bet you won’t. Show me a major motion picture that was completed using one one software suite. You can’t. In order to do your job to the best of your ability, it may require that you use several software packages to complete your project. That’s fine. But stop trashing FCS because it doesn’t fulfill YOUR needs.
This thread needs to end… There will be no winners and no reason to argue over something you have no control over. If you have legitimate complaints for Apple, use the Feedback menu to voice your concerns.
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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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[Paul Carlin] ”
The fact is that if Color doesn’t support the Red Rocket soon, a lot of people are going to buy a Resolve. If your purchase decision is in the next month, this is a serious concern. If your purchase decision is “I can wait to see what happens” then that changes everything.”For the people using RED, maybe. But RED is a relatively small percentage of productions. DSLRs are rapidly becoming the “go to” cameras of choice and I’m pretty certain that if you want to “look forward” you will find that these cameras will be the ones you need to learn to support moreso than RED. One DP that owns a RED here in Atlanta now shoots more with his 5D because it’s smaller and easier to use.
[Paul Carlin] “And to all of you who say, “Then don’t use it, go buy something else”. That is simply hogwash and you know it. That is a child’s reaction to an adult conversation.”
No, it’s hogwash and child’s reaction to whine, complain, hold their breath until they get their way. The adult sees a situation where their needs are not being met and then finds something else that will meet their needs. Precisely what happened to me in 2001 when Media 100 no longer met my needs and I moved on to Final Cut Pro.
For those of us still using Final Cut Pro today we do so because it meets our needs. Today. I can’t tell you what I will need tomorrow because tomorrow is not here. I do not plan my facility “looking into a crystal ball” to see what I think my clients will need tomorrow.
The adult looks at the production landscape and does research on what is out there and where the marketplace is going. The adult doesn’t throw away 8 years of investment just for “Red Rocket support” when RED is barely a blip on the overall production radar.
The adult sees an old color enhancement tool from DaVinci come along with a new price tag that puts it within easy financial range and adds it to the tool box because it makes financial sense today. Apple Color remains in our toolbox and Resolve is simply added to it. Not because Color can’t do the job (it has and it does) but for $999 it’s a no brainer to add Resolve. (Well, really close to $10,000 by the time you buy the MacPro, the dual graphics cards, the BMD card and the RAM to run it, but whose counting all that?)
The adult builds an entire infrastructure that can support multiple NLEs so facilities need not be limited by one product to meet any client’s needs.
If you “build it for tomorrow and expect them to come” you will be right where many of the failed production companies are today. You move cautiously forward and take risks where needed, but you don’t go whole hog into “tomorrow.” With overnight shipping whatever I need tomorrow will be here tomorrow.
[Paul Carlin] “We should be free to state our legitimate* opinions about software freely. If you don’t like the opinions, then say so and back it up.”
Fine, go on Twitter, go on your Blog go yell to the world Final Cut Pro Sucks! Apple Sucks! Color Sucks! Motion Sucks! Compressor Sucks! Without Red Rocket Support You are a Loser! Your Mother Edits on Final Cut Pro!
Really don’t care. One product family will NEVER meet the needs of all production facilities all the time. Not sure how many ways we can say this but I’ll try one last time:
YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO USE FINAL CUT STUDIO.
THE BEST FACILITIES USE THE RIGHT TOOLS TO MEET THEIR CLIENT NEEDS AND DOES NOT RELY ON ONE MANUFACTURER TO SUPPLY EVERYTHING.
This is supposed to be a website with More Signal, Less Noise but threads like this one just fills the forum with a lot more noise than signal unfortunately.
And with that, I’m done with this thread. Apologies to all who have had to endure the entire sage.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“Foul Water, Fiery Serpent” featuring Sigourney Weaver coming soon.
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[Wayne Carey] “Do your research? Find one person out there that can use one software suite ONLY to complete all of their workflow needs. I bet you won’t. Show me a major motion picture that was completed using one one software suite. You can’t. In order to do your job to the best of your ability, it may require that you use several software packages to complete your project. That’s fine. But stop trashing FCS because it doesn’t fulfill YOUR needs.”
Amen, Amen and AMEN!
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“Foul Water, Fiery Serpent” featuring Sigourney Weaver coming soon.
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I know some remember trying to find an Avid to get on during the weekends or on week nights with a reduced rate and hopefully with someone who could half way run it.
You may not have had much time or space to do what you wanted. Renting a few external 9 gig hard drives was not cheep and some basic things took a while.Now, Apple will have to decide how hard they want to compete in the future.
Apple burned some bridges to get fcp going and a lot of people sided with them and have counted on them for years so I hope they continue to move in the right direction.I love Apple but I appreciate other companies and what they have to offer as well.
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I suppose Apple just ended this thread with the latest FCP X.
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