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  • Email Exchange with Randy Ubillos, FCP X Designer

  • J Hussar

    June 23, 2011 at 3:51 am

    There it is – there’s the attitude. We are going to conform to his ideas and that’s it – like Kai Krause of years gone by, who ruined countless apps and plug ins with his crappy unworkable interfaces.
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    That email nauseates me – it means without an incredible amount of flak he will be too arrogant to listen.

    Well, the flak is everywhere now – and it ain’t gonna die down anytime soon. He better be listening or he can chat with grandma about his awesome, useless app, the pros will blow him off like a bad habit.

  • Tony Silanskas

    June 23, 2011 at 3:52 am

    [Eric Susch] “Now Apple wants to throw that all away and start over?”

    I don’t see it that way at all. Many of the features they added (at the expense of others we need, for now at least) are ones editors have been asking for for years and many of those features, like 64-bit, background rendering, GPU acceleration, are at the foundation of a product and are best added with a clean slate. Just ask Adobe. This doesn’t mean they are throwing away the basics but you have to start somewhere then add those little guys back in. With the outcry from editors for a new version they seemed to have caved for once and released this one too soon. Maybe they hoped editors would look at their past (poor product launches but great and visionary updates) and realize how amazing the future could be with this new foundation.

    tony

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  • Greg Burke

    June 23, 2011 at 3:56 am

    Does it really even matter…Clearly they weren’t thinking “Pro” at all But Hey my Little 13 year old brother Loves it for his skateboarding video NICE JOB APPLE!!! NOW WHAT ABOUT US!!!!!

  • Eric Susch

    June 23, 2011 at 3:57 am

    How different FCPX is is irrelevant. What matters is how business works. Businesses can’t just jump off a cliff with no connection to the past. They need to do their work the way the client wants, and many times that means building on what they’ve done with the client before. Apple really doesn’t understand business. I can’t believe how wrong they got this release. Didn’t they talk to any editing professionals before this release?

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  • Eric Susch

    June 23, 2011 at 4:15 am

    This is a product release. We have to discuss what’s there not what we hope the future will be. We don’t know what’s going to happen with FCPX or how long any updates will take. Companies don’t always do what you think they are going to do. There’s no guarantee that the professional features that have been lost will be put back in. So right now the future better pro FCPX isn’t here yet, FCS3 is EOL, and we’re all in the middle.

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  • Nelson Torres

    June 23, 2011 at 4:20 am

    [Chris Kenny] “A competent FCP X editor, when creating a sequence, is creating all sorts of relationships between clips that FCP 7 doesn’t have “

    What relationships? All I want to do is place a clip next to another. Pretty simple. I don’t need them to propagate.

    Apple really dropped the ball very badly on this one. They should have consulted picture editors not wedding videographers& YouTube bloggers.

  • Douglas K. Dempsey

    June 23, 2011 at 4:33 am

    You apologists are missing the point. FPCX doesn’t have to be a pro app, now or ever. That’s Apple’s business, and if they want to market a great prosumer app, fine. I shoot with prosumer cameras all the time.

    But I don’t expect Sony to take the F35 camera off the market, now that they offer the NEX-FS100 Super 35mm camcorder body for $5,000. UNLESS they have decided to throw in the towel on high-end cameras, and sell only the prosumer gear.

    But that is what Apple has done. It is the fact that FCP7 is not being sold, that you can no longer acquire a valid, legal FCP7 serial number from an authorized vendor (one who can guarantee the serial number you just bought is not already in use, and you are simply buying the eBay seller’s hard copies).

    When is the last time you heard of a dead app receiving updates? How many times has an OS upgrade necessitated updates of your Pro Apps? Do any of you remember the Compressor irregularities caused by Pro Kit 6.01 Frameworks, a problem common enough for Jon Chappell’s site to post instructions on how to go back in Time Machine, retrieve the previous ProKit update and reinstall the old Frameworks?

    Do you imagine FCP7 will run flawlessly on Lion and beyond, while we keep our fingers crossed that 2 or 3 years from now, FCPX will “go pro” and open our archived FCP7 projects — projects that we now open, modify and cut & paste from all the time, as we evolve and update projects for clients, or re-purpose footage for new projects?

    Walter Biscardi and Richard Harrington, who bring up these issues in their podcast, are credible professionals with real companies — not hobbyists who take a training course and declare, “Hey I’m an editor.” They point out that they will probably have to invest a lot of time & money in exporting XML of all their hundreds of archived projects, to be cross-graded to Premiere or Avid at some future date, possibly as early as this Fall, as a hedge against the failure of FCP7 to live on indefinitely.

    These are not small, “whining” glass-half-empty concerns.

    Until Apple issues a press release stating that I will be able to use my FCP7 projects through Lion and/or until FCPX opens FCP7 and does multi-cam, OMF, XML, has organizable/identifiable tracks for dialogue, music and effects, and all the other fairly basic stuff that any pro needs… until I see it in writing, I have to assume Apple has bailed out of our miniscule high-end pro market, and will now serve only the great mass of one-man band operations.

    Calling that observation “negative” or saying “migration is not a priority” is a reasonable statement are simply selfish, ignorant statements.

  • Steven Gonzales

    June 23, 2011 at 4:44 am

    I still have an old VHS tape of the FCP rollout in 1999. Randy Ubillos is there, talking about having a professional editor on the team from the very beginning.

    Doesn’t this seem to be the problem, that this time around they forgot the wise decision they made way back in 1999?

  • eric monroe

    June 23, 2011 at 4:53 am

    I must disagree with one thing that you said Nelson, that FCP X is okay for wedding videographers/and youtube bloggers.

    As a professional in the Wedding industry, having no multi-cam support pretty much cripples the ability to produce wedding films in a timely or professional fashion. Any “GOOD” wedding videographer in the business this day-n-age is using multiple HD sources to capture “the moment”. So……should we put our 4+ HD camera sources on the timeline and edit them the old fashion way?!?!?! I am sure that will go over well with the professional wedding & event videographers out there. I know that some people may look at someone filming/editing weddings as low-level and not the same level as someone in Hollywood, however it IS what some of us rely on full-time for a living. Last year I filmed/edited over 50 weddings and events, all shot using 4 HD cameras and cut using FCP 7’s multi-clip editor. As a business owner I provide for my family and serve a fairly large client base. No multi-camera ability makes FCP X TOTALLY USELESS for someone like me.

    Oh and btw Stevie J……NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH THEIR WEDDING ON iTUNES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blu-ray is a must for my business….(seems Hollywood likes it too) ;o)

    (I have been producing cinematic wedding films professionally for quite a few years now….not because I cant get a job doing anything else in the world of video, (been there done that) but because I am truly enjoying filming weddings, and working for myself.)

    Looks like the world of editing is gonna change alright…Wedding/Event/indie on Adobe…..and big production houses (that still use EDL, XML, OMF etc. in their everyday workflow) will be on Avid…….Goodbye MacinTOYS

    As someone else already said……this is iMovie Pro….not FCP. (they proved that with importing of iMovie projects and not FCP 7 backwards compatibility.

    Whatta joke.

    FCP – RIP 2011

  • Chris Kenny

    June 23, 2011 at 5:05 am

    [Eric Susch] “Businesses can’t just jump off a cliff with no connection to the past. They need to do their work the way the client wants, and many times that means building on what they’ve done with the client before. “

    I have no idea what sort of work you do, but in our operation each project is essentially self-contained, or if there are elements shared between projects for a given client, they’ve things like stock media and motion graphics files that could easily be imported into FCP X. I’m just not seeing how the capability to move a specific sequence to FCP X is really critical for migration. Sure, it would speed migration up if FCP X could flawlessly open every FCP 7 project, because you could just switch immediately. But in the absence of perfect import (which would probably be nearly impossible with a whole new rendering engine, etc. even without the new timeline features), continuing to work on projects originated in FCP 7 in FCP 7 was always going to be the only sensible choice.

    For most users, I think, if they just start creating all of their new projects in FCP X (once Apple fills a couple of feature gaps), 12 months later they’ll probably be opening FCP 7 all of once a month.


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