Editing software research

[Jeremy Garchow]

What “industry” are you looking for?

[Robin S. kurz]

And you realize of course what people in an FCP Forum are most likely to tell you, right? 😀

I’d say you need far more neutral ground to get a usable, representative result, no? Though I don’t actually know where that place could be… 😛

– RK

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[Bob Zelin]

don’t you have a film or video department in your school ?
What are they using ?

Here is your answer –
Adobe Premiere
AVID Media Composer
Final Cut Pro (both Final Cut Pro 7 and Final Cut Pro X).

There are other editing software packages out there, but they are not as popular as the ones I listed above –
they include
Blackmagic Davinci Resolve (editing functions, in addition to color grading).
Grass Valley Edius
Sony Vegas

there are others(Hit Film, etc.)
but that is pretty much what everyone uses.

The market will continue to be in flux. It always has –
Movieola/Steenbeck/Kem
CMX/ISC-GVG Super Edit/Sony 9000/Convergence/Calaway/Stranner/etc
EMC/AVID
and now all the wonderful choices that will continue to be wide spread.

There never has been a time where you can say “learn this, and you don’t have to worry about anything else”. Your lecture (since you are in the education business) is that if you ever get lazy after learning software XYZ, and think that you will stick with it for the rest of your career, you will be unemployed soon. Continuing education, and constantly being aware of changes in ANY industry is key to success.

How is this going to help your lecture ?

bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com

[Michael Phillips]

It’s hard to say – as you mention it is an industry in flux and will continue to be over the next many years. Separating out the theory versus practical system training – it will be based on region, production type, etc. If the goal is to work in Hollywood on studio fare production, there is more Avid than the other NLE’s. If you want to work in a broadcast environment, you will find a mix of Avid and Adobe depending on station. There are a few that seem to be implementing FCPx. but those stories (seen here first) seem to point to Europe more than US at this time.

Different departments withing a studio or broadcaster may use something other than Avid – marketing, webisodes, etc.

Commercial houses, trailers, etc. are all a mix of NLE’s.

Corporate, houses of worship, WEVA, etc tend to more non Avid NLE, and a healthy mix of Adobe and FCP(x).

“Indie” market is also a mix of everything.

It is interesting to do a job search in different areas using Avid, Adobe, etc as criteria. The last time I did one for the Boston area I got:

and:

One can debate pay scale for Avid jobs versus Adobe jobs, etc. I think that has more to do with union versus non-union and not tied so much to the NLE anymore. It would be interesting to hear what other see in their area. especially outside the NY and LA markets.

Michael

[Noah Kadner]

Everyone’s is using FCPX- end of story. That was easy research! J/K I’d say Bob + the entirety of this forum is all the info you need. I believe some surveys have been done though most have not been very scientific.
Noah

FCPWORKS – FCPX Workflow
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[Bob Zelin]

Noah is of course correct.
Everyone has given up on Adobe Premiere, and AVID Media Composer.
And Davinci Resolve, and Vegas, and everything else.
It’s only FCP – X in the entire world, except for 3 people. And they are idiots. All the Hollywood features and TV shows are actually done in FCP-X – all the other stories you see about AVID are all lies
from jealous people.

Now Dan, it is your responsibility to invest every last penny that you own in Apple stock right now, and even if there are a few dollars left, either run out to the Apple store and buy everything you can, or just start downloading Apps from the Apple App store. And make sure to get at least 10TB of storage space on iCloud.

both Noah and I will come over to your school to make sure that you are following our advice. OR ELSE !

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com

[Joe Marler]

[Dan Turner] “I’m a film lecturer currently researching what editing software is the most commonly used in the industry.

Id be grateful for any input on what you guys use, and what you’ve found in other post-houses or industry colleagues.

I appreciate its a market thats still influx, but just getting a sense of the position would be enormously helpful.”

In a narrow sense “the industry” means Hollywood. From that standpoint, Avid has at least 90% penetration, although it’s hard to give an exact figure. Despite that dominate position, Avid’s total annual revenue from software sales is only about $90 million (Avid was temporarily de-listed from NASDAQ in 2014), so the market for video editing software is a steep pyramid.

The Indian “Bollywood” film industry alone does over $2 billion annually, and I expect they probably use a higher % of Premiere and FCP than does Hollywood. What % I don’t know.

Due to the democratization of digital video production, a huge amount of corporate, documentary and non-profit content is now produced and distributed via internet. There are now video bloggers who make $10 million per year, and several make $40,000 per month. Most of them do not use Avid, and many are self-produced using Premiere or FCPX.

To my knowledge there is no good data about this. Researching what editing software is used in a given segment would require doing surveys.

[Dan Turner]

Thanks for the responses so far. really helpful.

To clarify one point. “Industry” was to mean the film and television industry at large. Both Hollywood/network and Indie.

My research is to help film students who graduate. Trying to give them a sense of which skill set is best to have, by being most proficient in the dominant editing software.

Interested to hear from all UK folk here, but equally anyone, because editing isn’t limited by geography.

Thanks again!

Dan

[Steve Connor]

If their path is Film and TV then it’s Avid first without a doubt

[Robin S. kurz]

[Steve Connor] “If their path is Film and TV then it’s Avid first without a doubt”

Only in L.A., without a doubt.

– RK

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