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Editing Disconnected Audio
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[John Davidson] “Here’s a funny little thing. We totally don’t care about roles anymore since X2Pro pretty much automates everything for us. I suppose if we really cared and had a huge edit we would feel more motivated to work with roles. Then again, even a sizzle that we worked on for 2 months and delivered last week – never touched a role in it.”
If I don’t use Roles, I can’t export stems as FCPX will simply add everything in one Role to one channel.
I need Roles to keep stems separate (X2Pro treats this differently in the conversion to tracks).
Also, I am a pretty decently organized editor, and when I send my audio to post, I like to have the audio engineer see my intentions clearly.
With Roles, I can add one person to a Role instead of grouping all speaking parts to “Dialogue” and when imported to ProTools, each person gets their own track. The audio guys don’t seem to mind.
To each their own workflow, but Roles work well for how we use them.
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[Herb Sevush] “Aindreas, thanks for posting. It was interesting indeed.”
I have to keep reminding myself that you guys aren’t playing with the software.
I need to tailor my answers to better explain what is really going on.
Also, notice in that video around the 12 minute mark or so, what does he do? Pull the video underneath the timeline.
What a rebel.
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I think many FCPX features are nearly impossible to describe to someone who hasn’t explored a given feature. Part of the problem is that describing FCPX almost requires a new language.
I too was concerned about disconnected clips since it was a requirement for me when dealing with dual mono (or more) channels. The audio components feature came out in 10.0.6 and my need to disconnect (and therefore the desire for sync markers) declined (although could still be useful in some cases).
The problem with so many feature requests we see in this forum in which people are asking for the return of old features, doesn’t take into consideration that Apple is developing entirely new ways of doing things. The Audio Components feature is one example. FCPX is still very much missing important functions but the solutions may not look like what some people are imagining.
The hardest part in persuading someone that FCPX is even worth investigating is that an experienced editor wouldn’t know where to look for features like this and, not knowing they exist, may not look for them at all. Additionally someone using 10.0.5, for example, and walking away from it in frustration, may not be aware of major changes like this.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Also, notice in that video around the 12 minute mark or so, what does he do? Pull the video underneath the timeline.”
I noticed that and thought of your explanation. The other thing I noticed is that he was talking about the various problems in dealing with Multicam audio that these new features were addressing.
It looks like the only way I’m really going to figure out if X would work for me is to work with X. On the other hand I’m reluctant to invest my time in learning something that might not work out. Such is the quandry when working with outlier software. I have no such qualms when considering switching to Avid, I know it will work for me, which makes it a lot easier to switch to.
My next move is to wait and see what Apple comes out with as a MacPro replacement. While the general rule is to pick your software and then worry about the box that will run it, in this case I want to know what hardware platform I will commit to before narrowing down my choice.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “My next move is to wait and see what Apple comes out with as a MacPro replacement. While the general rule is to pick your software and then worry about the box that will run it, in this case I want to know what hardware platform I will commit to before narrowing down my choice.
“I think what Apple do with the Mac Pro replacement will be critical for wider adoption of FCPX, add to that the first point release of the software and I think it’s going to be an interesting few months.
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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[Herb Sevush] “I noticed that and thought of your explanation. The other thing I noticed is that he was talking about the various problems in dealing with Multicam audio that these new features were addressing.
It looks like the only way I’m really going to figure out if X would work for me is to work with X. On the other hand I’m reluctant to invest my time in learning something that might not work out. Such is the quandry when working with outlier software. I have no such qualms when considering switching to Avid, I know it will work for me, which makes it a lot easier to switch to.
My next move is to wait and see what Apple comes out with as a MacPro replacement. While the general rule is to pick your software and then worry about the box that will run it, in this case I want to know what hardware platform I will commit to before narrowing down my choice.”
All valid.
I will try and explain things better for next time and perhaps even include a screengrab or ten.
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Also know that – I don’t think Sam shows this in his tutorial – is that in the Inspector, if you go to the Channel Configuration, you can skim the tracks independently. Go with your mouse over the tracks, and you hear ONLY that channel, so you can easily hear which is what (if you are checking which one was camera-audio and which one was a mic, for instance).
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[Mathieu Ghekiere] “Also know that – I don’t think Sam shows this in his tutorial – is that in the Inspector, if you go to the Channel Configuration, you can skim the tracks independently. Go with your mouse over the tracks, and you hear ONLY that channel, so you can easily hear which is what (if you are checking which one was camera-audio and which one was a mic, for instance).”
True.
Can also be done in the timeline with “clip skimming” on which is a separate function of skimming.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I have to keep reminding myself that you guys aren’t playing with the software. “
no no – I play. Playing doesn’t force you into the meat of it tho – but I do play, have quite a bit.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “no no – I play. Playing doesn’t force you into the meat of it tho – but I do play, have quite a bit.”
We’ll call it a tinker.
Fair enough?
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