Does the P2 card really save time?

[Barry Green]

Nobody’s saying not to back it up! But do you really want to take that step before you can even start working with your footage?

I can see why someone may choose to work that way, but why would you want to be bound to that? With edit-ready you could still execute a backup before working with your footage, but you don’t have to. With the FCP implementation, you HAVE to. Seems very limiting, and unnecessarily so.

It reminds me of the argument we used to have over hardware-codec editing boards vs. software-only (I mean, back when every transition needed to be “rendered” before it could even be viewed, so Matrox and Canopus came out with real-time hardware boards.) Back in the old days people actually used to argue that rendering was a “good thing” because it gave ’em time to get up, stretch their legs, go for a coffee break, etc(!) Simple fact is, we all now demand 100% pure realtime at all times and rendering is viewed as a huge and irritating obstacle.

So it will be with the concepts of “importing” and “ingesting” and “digitizing” and “capturing”. It’s an unnecessary impediment to the workflow already, it can be eliminated completely.

—————–
Get the most from your DVX camera. The DVX Book and DVX DVD are now available on ebay and at Amazon (https://www.fiftv.com/db)

[Barry Green]

[Barry Green] “Nobody’s saying not to back it up! But do you really want to take that step before you can even start working with your footage?”

Man, I wish we could edit posts. What I meant to say was:

But do you really want to BE FORCED TO take that step before you can even start working with your footage?

—————–
Get the most from your DVX camera. The DVX Book and DVX DVD are now available on ebay and at Amazon (https://www.fiftv.com/db)

[Shane Ross]

[Barry Green] “But do you really want to BE FORCED TO take that step before you can even start working with your footage?”

Personally…yes, I do. I want a backup RIGHT AWAY in case something happens. Wait until later…or your system crashes and corrupts, then you are SOL.

Even if I used Raylight (still haven’t tested it yet) I’d back up IMMEDIATELY. And I wouldn’t use it as an excuse to get up and stretch my legs….just common sense.

Although I DO use render times to do just that…get up, do something non-sedentary like walk, pushups, situps…ichat. Wait…that’s not right.

ANYWAY…I can see why it would be good to have the CHOICE to back up or to just start working…so I get your point. Working on systems that access MXF natively immediately is vital in many situations (news editing for one)…so you should have the option. So yes, it can be limiting. That is where Raylight comes in.

I just want to stress the importance of backing up…and the sooner the better.

But I get ya.

Shane

Littlefrog Post
http://www.lfhd.net

[Mitch Ives]

[Barry Green] “Nobody’s saying not to back it up! But do you really want to take that step before you can even start working with your footage?

I can see why someone may choose to work that way, but why would you want to be bound to that? With edit-ready you could still execute a backup before working with your footage, but you don’t have to. With the FCP implementation, you HAVE to. Seems very limiting, and unnecessarily so.”

Barry, I tend to agree with Shane on this one. I don’t see that as unnecessary or a duplication of efforts. I copy all the MXF files to a HD as a matter of course… usually during shooting. When I attach that HD to the Mac and FCP ingests the files to the Disk Array. This is no different than copying them to any disk array.

Either way, I have the files to edit with and the original HD (with MXF) goes into archive. One way I do it before editing, and with your way I do it after. Obviously, I’m missing your point somehere… or we’re arguing semantics…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

Apple Certified Trainer: Final Cut Pro 5