Does anyone think FCPX is NOT a Professional NLE?

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “Defined by the company we *don’t* keep?

I can accept that.”

This is a little delphic for me, I think you might still be hearing voices.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Bill Davis]

(Just for fun entering screaming “hair on fire” mode…)

JUST WINDMILLS! JUST WINDMILLS!!!!

Dude, windmills help the Dutch feed their whole freekin’ nation for a big chunk of history!!

Whole careers and LIVES depend on windmills!

If you don’t know the PAST, how can you prepare for the FUTURE!! HOW can you dismiss the importance of Windmills. (starting to froth at the mouth now) Plus WIND POWER. Windmills are going to be the salvation of society

Not to mention providing an antagonist for Don Quixote – which made a LOT of money for some folks on Broadway years ago…

(catching breath and calming down finally)

; )

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[Bill Davis]

[Herb Sevush] “This is a little delphic for me, I think you might still be hearing voices.”

Voices are welcome.

I like voices.

And have learned that voices are actually troubling are NOT the ones that you KNOW are inside your head – they’re the ones that you believe are coming from an unseen party that’s real – but actually not real at all.

Which I believe uncomfortably describes a growing chunk of the “paid agenda post” internet stuff in the modern era. ; )

Oh well.

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[David Roth weiss]

Nice try Bill, however, having cut my eye teeth in Hollyweird from the age 20 as an audio engineer, mixer, and sound designer (before there was such a title, much the same as Walter Murch), for film, television, and radio, my audio bonefides trump your own. Though I must say, you definitely have a great face for radio.

Meanwhile, I’ll give you credit for consistency, you certainly do try to play the database card at every opportunity – it’s about as significant in this discussion of as is your belly button lint, but feel free to hang on to it if you feel it’s your only lifeline.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los Angeles

David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.

[Tom Sefton]

Nope. It’s doing things for us at the moment that none of the other NLE can do, at a very small price, that works on multiple machines from one license and at a speed that is hugely impressive. After we ironed out a minor glitch with the Red workflow plugin it’s now a very powerful tool.

However, keyframing sucks!

Co-owner at Pollen Studio
http://www.pollenstudio.co.uk

[Bill Davis]

Calm down David.
Your Hollywood credentials let you talk about Hollywood issues. Particularly Hollywood “colorist” issues which is where your IMDB listing shows that you actually have professional expertise. You want to stake your claim to actually being a Hollywood Sound Pro have at it. But I thought you were working at ProMax last I heard selling systems? Was I mistaken. Not that that’s any issue. Work is work and I totally understand that anything that pays the bills legally is worthy of respect. It’s just hard to see how either of us is in a position to try to trump the other about Audio issues in general. We both have the years in. You did Hollywood. I did broadcast radio and then wrote magazine columns for a decade. So what? And why bother, really? What I know about is sound for video in FCP X and you don’t. What you seem to know about is sound for video in Premiere Pro and I dont. I don’t talk about how well or not Premiere Pro does things – cuz I don’t know that. And you clearly don’t know very much about how X actually does things – so why don’t we just speak knowledgeably about what we actually know about – and leave the comparisons of the two to people who are crazy enough to use both? Too sane?
Or are you claiming that you actually know both well enough after that one project you described? Cuz if you are, then you are a whole lot smarter than I am – because 30 projects into X and I’d barely gotten past mediocre. I’m now 150 plus in, Apple Certified, and I’m still building additional expertise with every gig I deliver.

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[Michael Gissing]

[Oliver Peters] “At the risk of tossing fuel on the fire of the audio discussion…”

I see no fuel here. As expected with any NLE you can record and mix to picture and add effects. All through he is stressing that it is nice for a DIY editor to be able to do it all in one place and he also doesn’t say that other DAWs are not needed. If he needs MIDI, then an NLE will not do the job.

I can see that X is a big improvement over Legend as expected but as Herb says Pr and others can do the same task.

[David Roth weiss]

[Michael Gissing] “I can see that X is a big improvement over Legend as expected but as Herb says Pr and others can do the same task”

I think that encapsulates the FCP part of the video… But, what blows my mind is Michael Cioni himself. Damn, that guy is one of the most impressive people on this planet. I’ll bet he doesn’t struggle with too many learning curves.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los Angeles

David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.

[Michael Gissing]

[DRW]”But, what blows my mind is Michael Cioni himself.”

Yes talented man. I wonder if he can do woodwork as well.

[Jim Wiseman]

Thanks, Oliver. That Michael Cioni piece was truly mind opening. I, for one, can see the advantage of the magnetic timeline, and of course the filters in that piece. Really beautiful.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 & 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC: Mid 2015 MacBook Pro Retina 15″: 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro Retina 2015, i7, 500GB, M370X 2GB: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems