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Digital Juice Ready2Go Segments Crashing Vegas Pro 12
I have been buying DJ products for several years now and generally like them very much and rely HEAVILY on them to create some (what I believe are) very nice high school sports year-end presentations for my son’s football, skiiing, and lacrosse teams. Last year, while trying to complete one of the segments of a lacrosse video, I was using a Ready2Go HD element to introduce each player. There are nearly 30 players on the team. I would put a R2G segment (which is just a nested vegas .veg file with multiple layers of animations) on the timeline, then righ-click on it to open a new Vegas window to edit the segment (i.e. change the text for the player name, and change the video holder to the picture of the player). I would then save as this file to “player number-name”, then put that on the original Vegas timeline in place of the “master-original” R2G segment. Starting out, everything would be OK as I added R2G events to the timeline, but eventually after about 15-20 of these events had been entered, Sony Vegas Pro 10.0 32-bit would start to “flake out” and the R2G events would start to look like alpha channel elements added to the Vegas timeline, with the actual R2G segment missing MOST of the elements (tracks). This went on for some time, so I eventually tried using a different R2G segment and the same thing would happen again, after multiple R2G elements get added, they all start only displaying one for two layers of the entire composition. I eventually had to get the project done, so resorted to taking screen shots of the the R2G and then using THAT, rather than the full motion video of the R2G product. Less than what I obviously wanted.
I eventually decided this was a problem being created by the large number of nested R2G elements being added to the projects I was creating, and the limitations of the Windows 7 32 bit system memory. Knowing that more of these projects would be coming, I put together a brand new computer, with Intel i7 processor, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit OS, 32GB memory, Nvidia GTX 690 video card, multiple hard drives, etc. a fairly leading edge machine with respect to technology, thinking this would solve all my problems (NOT!!). I have Vegas Pro 10.0e 32-bit and Vegas Pro 12.0 64-bit both installed on this system, and every time I load a Vegas project with more than about 10 DJ R2G segments, they start this issue of only displaying a few of the many tracks of the imbedded .veg file. I’ve been talking with Digital Juice about this, but their current response is to load a plugin that is required (which I did do with not change in results).
Is there anyone out there that is using Digital Juice Ready2Go animation products that has been seeing this type of problem and if so, what have you been able to do to fix the problem?
Andrew Lenczycki
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I’ve never used Ready2Go HD elements or nested that many projects. I’m thinking you’ve reached a limit on resources and I’m surprised that using the 64-bit version didn’t solve it.
One easy solution is to render each Ready2Go HD element instead of nesting it. That will keep things flowing nicely and cut the final render time way down.
~jr
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I haven’t used RTG much, but I’ve never seen this problem.
Steve Mann
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John, I was hoping the 64-bit along with more memory would cure the problem, but it clearly hasn’t. It seems like whether in Vegas Pro 10 32-bit or Vegas 12 64-bit, I still hit “the wall” at around the same number of nested R2G .veg files. It would seem like with 4x the memory of my new computer, it would happen much later.
At any rate, what you suggested is exactly what I hit on myself and did for the project that I had to get done by last Thursday night. I was creating the show for a DVD presentation. I rendered the individual R2G .veg files using the Main Concept MPEG-2 DVD Architect NTSC Widescreen Video Stream template, then nested THESE files in my “Master” Vegas 12 project, along with a couple hundred pictures. When I rendered the 28 minute Master project for DVD, it rendered in about 8 minutes in DVDA. Does this mean that the .mpg segments I created from the R2G .veg files were not re-rendered in DVDA and there would be no additional loss of picture quality? If that’s the case, I can live with rendering the individual R2G segments individually then nest them into the “Final” project. What you do lose this way though, is the ability to right-click to be able to instantly edit the nested R2G .veg file to tweak, then come right back to the Master project and continue.
Andrew Lenczycki
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Steve, thanks for the reply.
If you do use Digital Juice R2G templates at all, and have a half hour to kill, try taking a single segment from a R2G template and bring it into a Vegas project. Right-click the nested R2G .veg file and then change one of the “Your Text Here” tracks and do a replace of the “video holder” (I am typically using a .jpg picture here) then SaveAs the file as “Sample 1” or something like that. Close the file (returning you back to the Main Vegas project), then add the SaveAs file (Sample 1) onto the timeline. Do this 10-15 times and my guess is you’ll see what I’m talking about as far as the “flake out”.
I use the show “center, head, tail” thumbnail display of events on the Vegas timeline. A “good” R2G segment will show all the color(s) of the element in these thumbnails (or on the Project Media tab of Vegas). When the “flake out” occurs, selected (usually the latter) R2G events in the project look like they have transparency (white/gray checkbox), with typically only the text from the R2G showing up on a black background (i.e. it’s like the R2G has lost all it multiple video layer info, or it’s become transparent, and only the text shows up on the preview screen).
I’m really not sure if this is a Digital Juice Ready2Go template issue or a Vegas (10 & 12) issue. If someone else with R2G templates can confirm they get the same thing it would be great.
Andrew Lenczycki
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[Andrew Lenczycki] “Does this mean that the .mpg segments I created from the R2G .veg files were not re-rendered in DVDA and there would be no additional loss of picture quality?”
If you saw a black preview window while Vegas Pro was rendering those sections with the words “no recompression required” then YES. If you didn’t see this then NO. Vegas will tell you when it doesn’t require rendering. If you didn’t see this, then you might want to render to DV AVI instead of MPEG2 to keep the quality up. DV AVI has 5x more quality than DVD MPEG2.
[Andrew Lenczycki] “What you do lose this way though, is the ability to right-click to be able to instantly edit the nested R2G .veg file to tweak, then come right back to the Master project and continue.”
Yes. You would loose the ability to right-click and edit and you would have to re-render after editing for changes to be seen in your main project.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
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[Andrew Lenczycki] “I’m really not sure if this is a Digital Juice Ready2Go template issue or a Vegas (10 & 12) issue.”
At some level it has to be a Vegas Pro issue. Regardless of what Digital Juice built in those templates, Vegas Pro should be able to handle it. I would report the problem to Sony and explain how to recreate it.
~jr
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Just send me your veg files and I’ll use my own media.
Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
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Steve,
I will email you the .veg file, but you will need the 13 QuickTime .mov files that comprise the Digital Juice R2G segment. One of the files is 69MB and 12 of them are between 3-4MB each. You will need these files (I believe) to be able to work with the .veg project. How would you like me to get these files to you?
If this is too much hassle, I won’t be offended if you don’t want to wade into this, just let me know.
Andrew Lenczycki
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[Andrew Lenczycki] “I will email you the .veg file, but you will need the 13 QuickTime .mov files that comprise the Digital Juice R2G segment. One of the files is 69MB and 12 of them are between 3-4MB each. “
That explains a lot. QuickTime is not a native Windows format and Vegas Pro relies on calling QuickTime to render each of those files. If each graphic requires 13 QuickTime files and you have 30 graphics that’s 390 QuickTime files that Vegas Pro has to ask QuickTime composite and render!
I think you may have found the problem. I don’t believe that Vegas Pro uses the 64-bit version of QuickTime. That would mean that Vegas uses the 32-bit version in a wrapper. That would explain why moving to a 64-bit OS had no affect (because QuickTime is still 32-bit). You may have just reached the limit of resources allocated to render QuickTime files in a single Vegas Pro session. I could be wrong but the fact that 64-bit Vegas Pro works with 32-bit QuickTime suggests this might be the case.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
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I am seeing no problems here. I added 15 nested tracks of DJ mov files and see no problems.
(I am using Vegas Pro 12/64-bit)
Interesting that you were also getting the “missing plugin” message from DJ. I am as well and waiting for a response from their tech support on that question.
Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com
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