DDP 2.0 image file on DVD-R versus DLT

[Joe Bowden]

Encore doesn’t export DDP 2.0 images. If you want to master from Encore, you’ll need a DLT and some tapes.

[Briand4130]

That’s what I was afraid of… thanks.

[David Owen]

I have read somewhere in Adobe’s Encore 2.0 forum (maybe in the FAQs) that it IS possible to write a copy protection flagged file set to DVD-ROM (data) to send to a replication house and that DLT is no longer the only way to transport the files… is this not accurate?

Most replication houses only take DLT, but some are now accepting DVD-ROMs. I’m about to try it for the first time using Encore 2.0 (for a DVD5) and am getting a little nervous about this ambiguity.

The rep house asks for settings as:
– CSS
– MacroVision Type 2
– DDP 2.0
– burned as UDF

What would be truly nice would be to find a CURRENT Adobe web page that answers this definitively. Anybody know for sure?

– David

[David Owen]

I found the reference on the Adobe forums which seems to contradict the notion that you cannot place flagged copy protected DVD image files on a DVD-ROM for transporting to a replication house. Here it is:

No DLT Machine? Writing a DL project to 2 DVD-R discs as DDP images

Neil Wilkes – 02:00am Apr 19, 2006 Pacific

There is yet another way to get a DL project to the factory if you do not have a DLT machine, and do not have access to DL discs in the correct format.

Write the DDP images to 2 single layer discs instead!
This requires the use of GEAR Pro Mastering Edition again, and is incredibly easy to do.

What you need to do here is follow the original guides in the FAQ sections for setting the Layer Break manually, but instead of writing the project to DLT tapes or to DVD-R DL/DVD+R DL media, what we do next is write the project to a DDP file on the HDD instead.
This will result in 2 folders appearing – Layer 0 and Layer 1.
Each of these has the necessary information for the replication plant to manufacture the discs – all we need to do is get them onto 2 discs instead of 2 DLT tapes.
This is simplicity itself.

Launch your burning application.
Create a new DVD-ROM project.
Name it (Project)_Layer_1
Broswe to the 2 folders with the DDP files in them, and add the contents in this exact order
DDPID
CONTROL.DAT
IMAGE.DAT
(Checksum.txt – optional)
(Log file – optional)

Burn the disc.
Repeat for Layer 1.
That is all there is to it.

What will happen at the factory is the Eclipse verification system will look for the DDPID file at the root level of the disc. If it cannot find it, it will assume it is dealing with a standard DVD-ROM disc instead, but if it is there it will know what is going on, load the files, and ask for Layer 1 after it has finished in the normal manner.

EDIT.
I have just been informed by a VERY reliable source that you can also write a copy protected image to DVD-R discs in this manner.
So that DLT machine is finally obsolete.

[Jeff Bellune]

The issue for the OP was not that it couldn’t be done at all, the issue was that it couldn’t be done with Encore.

-Jeff

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[David Owen]

Jeff,

I think the OP’s intent was to get it done… period. Like myself, he was trying to figure the process out. There are SO MANY misleading posts and, frankly, vague language by Adobe and others that specifics are called for.

Points of confusion seem to be:

* People misunderstanding the difference between a DVD-Video and a DVD-ROM for replication.

* Even though MANY replication houses now accept DVD-ROMs, Adobe’s own documentation states that copy protected replications can only be done from a DLT.

– David

[Joe Bowden]

[SkylineAtlanta] “…Adobe’s own documentation states that copy protected replications can only be done from a DLT.”

At the time Encore’s documentation was written, that was probably a true and correct statement.

[David Owen]

[Joe Bowden] “At the time Encore’s documentation was written, that was probably a true and correct statement.”

At the risk of sounding like I’m trying to pick an argument, I would expect that documentation released as recently as Encore 2.0 would be accurate for the time of release. This would be a small detail from Adobe’s standpoint, I’m sure. But for those of us whose livelihood relies on meeting deadlines and doing things in a professional manner, it is a crucial distinction.

I believe a responsible thing for Adobe to do would be to place an updated statement of clarification in the knowledgebase and in the FAQ of the user forum.

– David

[Joe Bowden]

Sorry, I think you’re picking nits here…nothing personal.

The number of replicaters that will accept DDP images today on DVD ROM is still smaller than those demanding it be deliverrd on DLT. Sixteen months ago or so when Encore 2.0 was released, that number was certainly even smaller, if there were any at all.

[David Owen]

[Joe Bowden] “Sorry, I think you’re picking nits here…nothing personal.”

That’s okay… You’re entitled to your opinion… even if it is wrong. }8^)

Seriously, if “nits” affect my payroll, I’m gonna be pickin’ ’em! The release of Encore 2.0 was about this time last year. Adobe’s website is able to be as current as now. Here’s my reality: My client’s replicator of preference accepts DVD-ROMs. I have a project due to him by Tuesday. My decision-making process to keep my client happy is:

A) Should I investigate whether my old DLT drive is compatible with the current version of Encore? If so, I could take the time to install it, learn a new way of mastering to an old technology, overnight the tapes and see if it played out just right.
– OR –
B) Should I investigate the seemingly conflicting statements in the manual to determine whether DLT really is the ONLY way to send a copy protected master to the replication house?

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask a company whose very existence is owed to communications to communicate clearly and in a way relevant to its current users.

– David