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DDP 2.0 image file on DVD-R versus DLT
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David,
You cannot make a DDP 2.0 image on DVD-R for a mastering house using *only* Encore. As far as Encore is concerned (in its documentation and on Adobe’s web site), your only option is DLT. That is as true today as when Encore was released.
To do what you are proposing to do (write a DDP 2.0 image to DVD-R) requires an additional $400 software package and an additional freeware package.
Although a road map exists to get a DDP image whose content is a project authored with Encore on to a DVD-R, the map has significant financial and technological obstacles that go along for the ride.
In your case, I respectfully recommend that you make a decision. Now. Buy GEAR Pro Mastering Edition or don’t. Figure out where to get and how to use IFOEdit or don’t. Try your old DLT or don’t. Buy a new DLT or don’t. Do what you have to do to make your deadline. Arguing semantics over whether a poster or an application’s documentation meant “is it possible at all?” or “is it possible using just Encore?” is a pointless waste of time for you now. Save it for the water cooler after the project is out the door.
-Jeff
The Focal Easy Guide to Adobe Encore DVD 2.0
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First, if my last post sounded a little defensive, I apologize.
Second, my reading (rightly or wrongly) was that the GPME software was required for mastering across two separate disks to transport a dual layer project to a replicator without DLT. If it is required for a SINGLE layer project as well, then that certainly changes the facts for the decision-making.
Third, does anyone here have first-hand experience with the process for a single layer project?
Fourth, I pick nits here for the reasons stated in my prior post AND because I have been unable to get a definitive answer from Adobe. I was hoping to learn from the experience of others here. If you, Jeff and Joe, speak from first-hand experience and are not simply re-stating what’s in the manual, then I will graciously accept that and move on in appreciation.
Jeff, I don’t appreciate the personal attack tone of your post. I read my own repost of Neil Wilkes’ post to get that info… your post was simply to say “shaddap already!” Frankly, there are charlatans in any forum that are more than willing to spend others’ time and money for the sake of their own edification. I don’t know you. I don’t know Joe, either. Joe may be a fine guy who didn’t understand why I was “splitting hairs” or “picking nits”. I explained it to him. I don’t care whether the process is Encore *only* or Encore + a utility or Encore + shareware or what… just whether a process exists to get it done. If my posts in true pursuit of clarifications annoy you, don’t read the thread. By the way, my time spent here is done while other processes are ongoing… thanks for your concern, though.
To avoid further deterioration of a well-intended discussion, I’ll refrain from reposting unless I find additional information which may be helpful.
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There is simply no way to do this from Encore 2.0 alone, either single or dual-layer…Encore does not create DDP images.
If you would like to see this feature added to a future release of Encore, then please file a feature request. However, singling out Adob e as a company for not explaining DDP images in either their documentation or web pages for a feature that Encore doesn’t offer seems a bit shall we say, counter-intuitive and wasteful to me.
As Jeff advised, if you want to create DDP images for replication, get Gear Mastering Pro. If you want to master for replication using only Encore, get a DLT drive and tapes. There’s not much else that can be added to the conversation.
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David,
I’m sorry for offending you. I did not mean for you to interpret my post as a personal attack.
From where I sit, the links you posted and the information you quoted in your earlier posts give you more than enough information to make a decision on what needs to be done, whether you choose the DVD-R route or the DLT route.
However, my familiarity with Encore and these forums, and my knowledge of the individuals involved who have given you information directly here and indirectly from other sources perhaps prevented me from seeing that the path that seems so clear and cut-and-dried to me, may not be clear or complete in any way to someone searching for the best way to get the job done.
Neil Wilkes has been around, through, over and under the subject of creating DDP images for mastering houses. He knows his stuff very well.
Joe Bowden has been around Encore for a long time. I don’t know anyone who is more familiar with the ins and outs of the program, and how it has changed through its revisions, than he. You’d probably have to talk to the guys at Adobe who actually wrote the code to find someone who knows more about Encore than Joe does.
Anyway, I hope you’ve ended up with enough information to get you going in the right direction. If you only use Encore, then DLT is what you’ll need to create a master. If you employ additional tools, a DVD-R master is possible.
-Jeff
The Focal Easy Guide to Adobe Encore DVD 2.0
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Boy, it sure would be nice to find out how this all ended up, David/SkylineAtlanta (for those readers that don’t also frequent the Adobe Encore U2U forum).
Please do tell…
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It’s still a little too soon to tell the conclusion… I should hear the results of the validation from the replication house sometime tomorrow. Stay tuned.
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If you want your DVD replica to be CSS encrypted, then you do need to send a DLT tape flagged for encryption. If you dont want encryption on your DVD replica, just send a DVD-R (no DVD+R). What ever DVD-R video you put on a DVD player, that same DVD-R can be used for replication.
In a Mastering facility, the DLT or DVD-R you send is put on a Encoder which is interfaced to a LBR (Laser Beam Recorder). The encoder will read your media, analyze, convert it to DDP format (Disk Description Protocol, and dump it into a HDD. The encoder will then send an EFM signal to the LBR, and make a glass master.
Encoders:
https://www.eclipsedata.com/products/ie.htm
https://www.dcainc.com/products/mis/MIS_V8/index.htmlLBR:
https://www.optical-disc.com/prod_odc_laserwaveII.htm
https://www.optical-disc.com/prod_nimbus_masteringsystems.htmIf you need to know more about CD replication
https://www.breckrowell.com/cd101/ -
Finally, a wrap-up after the investigation…
The widely-offered answers of “you MUST output to DLT tape” or “you MUST buy the $400 software to do it via disc” are partially correct. DLT had been the only method for many years now. But CSS flagged projects CAN be put onto a DVD-R rather than DLT and it can be done without purchasing the $400 software. Some other software options are available, but the one most widely recognized as consistently effective IS Gear Pro Mastering Edition (GPME). Gear Software (www.gearsoftware.com) offers a 30-day fully functional trial version. It has a rather steep learning curve, but can be very powerful in exchange. If you expect to produce more than one or two CSS-flagged or Macrovision-flagged projects, the investment is probably a good one. In my case, only a single project had to be produced with the flags, so the FREE download worked great.
If you opt for the trial software, here’s how to move a project mastered in Encore 2.0 through GPME to send a DDP 2.0 image file to a replicator:
(The process requires one step in Encore and two steps in Gear…)
* Output your project to a folder from Encore with all copy protection off.
– Open Gear Pro Mastering Edition.
* Create a new DVD-Video project.
– Check box for “Use CSS encryption”
– Import the Encore-created TS_Video folder contents
– Select “Convert Gear Project to DDP Image” from Mastering menu
– Select the DVD Mastering tab
– Check box for “Write tape in DDP format”
– Check box for “Create Control.dat file with 2054 bytes…”
– Select “SSCRST 3 (2054), DDP 2.0”
– Select the Customer tab and fill in info as you wish
– Verify directory and file name, select OK to convert* Create a new DVD-ROM project (pure UDF)
– Navigate to DDP image folder using the folders in the upper left corner.
– Drag the image files (Control.dat, DDPID, Image.dat, etc.) down to the frame below it
– From the Project menu, select “Write Gear Project” to burn it to a blank discYour replicator may have different requirements, so it is a good idea to ask about their requirements first. Good luck!
– David
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Thanks for posting the detailed wrap up, David.
However, there’s one small correction to your post that is worth making: If you are using Encore alone for DVD mastering, you MUST master to DLT. That’s as true now after your write up as it was before. That’s what I was saying previously, and what Jeff was saying as well.
What’s only partially true is you need GearPro to do this… although that would seem to be the wisest choice, especially if you’re paying for replication.
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have there been any changes since encore cs3? I there a way to get a ddp file out of encore with CSS enabled?
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