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**Danger Will Robinson** **Danger Will Robinson**
Looks like adobe are going to force the entire customer base onto perpetual hire purchase.
They’re coming for all our bank accounts on direct debit for real. If you just spent thousands on a perpetual license, I feel for you.first up:
[Oliver Peters] “A client site where I freelance called yesterday and asked for the cost to upgrade their group perpetual license (5 seats). The Adobe rep told them the only option that they could offer at this time was a Creative Cloud Team subscription. They were also told this at NAB. “and in response to a question about upgrading a perpetual license, this came back:
[Dennis Radeke] “The question is really if you want to start a Creative Cloud Membership now or later. If you start a Creative Cloud membership now, you will get CS6. When the next version of the products become available, you will automatically have access to the new versions. It’s hard to lose either way.
“Looks like they’re really going to try and do it – force their entire customer base, at gun point, to hand over their private bank details and set up perpetual direct debits for hire purchase software that they will never own.
What’s worse, if you think about it this way – the files, the personal output you create are your own right? but if for any reason the financial agreement is suspended – the personal intellectual copyright material you have created can never be opened or modified again. In effect – adobe are selling olive oil here – it sounds nice at the beginning, but you are incredibly at their mercy in the long run. If they ever decide to turn off your Creative Cloud oxygen, or there is a failure of any kind on the direct debit, all of the work you have created with that software is dead – it cannot even be opened, nevermind modified. Until adobe decide it can again.
they have direct control, for life, over everything you create. you may have the files, but they will always have the software. And the power to switch it off – month by month, and year by year by year. That’s a lot of creative intellectual property hostage to fortune, not to mention Shantanu Narayen’s rapacious desires for ever more money off the base.
80% of the Adobe customer base are not currently on Creative Cloud. This is an incredibly aggressive posture from adobe – they are literally screaming
“give me your bank details now – lets get that perpetual direct debit started”you say – “is there no way to maintain the current licensing relationship?
they say – “shut up and give us the bank account number and sort code now. Right. NOW.”
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I still can’t believe they will do this, it doesn’t bother me as I’m a Cloud User anyway, I never had a CS suite so subscribing was a no-brainer. But the lack of any denials coming out of Adobe at the moment, considering how chatty they normally are seems a little odd.
As the guys from Adobe are fond of saying, perhaps if you are concerned you should submit a feature request!
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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This is speculation, not fact.
Adobe has previewed the next versions of Premiere Pro and Ae, but they haven’t actually announced them yet — so there’s no pricing or availability information aside from the year-old Creative Cloud promise of updates as they are available.
I think it’s good for us to discuss licensing options, and to provide Adobe feedback via the feature request form as Kevin, Tom, and Steve have suggested — but as this is a “techniques” forum, let’s try not to blur rumor and fact.
Light, not heat.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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the statements cited by Peters are not rumour or supposition – that was a flat out “creative cloud is your only option here” They were told that twice.
But as you say – maybe better suited for the headless chicken forum. Still thought it was worth citing. And to be fair – this isn’t a feature request – its kind of astonishment.
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Hey Aindreas, weren’t you the one advising everyone to cool it last week 🙂
Truly, until the announcement, it’s all just FUD for thought, nothing else.
David
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I know – I really do succumb to headless chicken from time to time.
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This isn’t exactly a new idea…other companies do it now. It levels out Adobe’s revenue and also allows them to update software more frequently.
Frankly, in sheer revenue terms, Adobe is trading revenue for stability as many of us upgrade every release anyway. My Web host, Web domains, Web services like DropBox, software like McAfee, etc, etc already store my payment info and charge me when it’s due. I see this changeover as something that will probably be an awkward transition, but I haven’t started fashioning a tin foil hat or anything…
TimK,
Director, Consultant
Kolb Productions,Adobe Certified Instructor
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[Oliver Peters] “A client site where I freelance called yesterday and asked for the cost to upgrade their group perpetual license (5 seats). The Adobe rep told them the only option that they could offer at this time was a Creative Cloud Team subscription. They were also told this at NAB. “
[Aindreas Gallagher] “the statements cited by Peters are not rumour or supposition – that was a flat out “creative cloud is your only option here” They were told that twice.”
Oliver said “at this time.” It was announced last year when Creative Cloud launched that subscribers would get access to new versions of the apps as soon as they were available.
Since the new versions have not yet actually launched, it makes sense to me that Creative Cloud would be “the only option that they could offer at this time.”
[Aindreas Gallagher] “But as you say – maybe better suited for the headless chicken forum. Still thought it was worth citing. And to be fair – this isn’t a feature request – its kind of astonishment.”
Like I said in Tom’s threads last week, I do think licensing and Cloud pros and cons are good to discuss here.
I just think we have to be very clear here about what is actual fact and what is supposition. I want to make sure the discussions are framed factually so that we don’t spread misinformation.
Adobe has not announced a Cloud-only offering. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t — none of us know yet. If we don’t like whatever licensing terms are eventually formally announced, then we can all join in the Robot-style arm-waving.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Tim Kolb] “Frankly, in sheer revenue terms, Adobe is trading revenue for stability as many of us upgrade every release anyway. “
I think that’s wrong isn’t it? Your initial purchase outlay is offset by the lower yearly upgrade fee of around 350 dollars per annum for Prod. Premium –
leaving aside the first year deal, with creative cloud, you are looking at at 600 dollars a year and rising for as long as you use the software –
that differential pretty quickly eats up what they lost in the initial suite purchase lump sum by going hire purchase.
Also they now own all the software. It’s not tin foil hat per se – I’m just not comfortable at the notion they could push the customer base to hire purchase
as hard as it sounds they are about to.It’s psychological as much as anything, but the idea that my core tool set, that feeds and clothes me, is subject to the vagaries of english banks, monthly direct debits, reliable internet, no fouls up in monthly processing, that’s just not a comfortable prospect.
As Groucho Marx once said “A plumber doesn’t rent his pliers every four weeks – that would be insane.”
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A visual tribute to Andreas’ vivid description of the concern we feel for the unknown status of the perpetual license in the future. 😀
Tom Daigon
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I think we should start posting our concerns on other forums starting with the adobe forums if we are to achieve critical mass.
Richard
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