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  • Damaged Audio H4n

    Posted by Scott Gifford on December 13, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    H4n issue. Wondering if anybody has an answer to an audio problem with a Zoom H4n. Getting extreme level noise spikes in random locations during the recording. In the attached image the top audio track in the timeline is a wireless mic input. The lower track is the on-board zoom stereo mics. Circled in red is the noise. The noise does not occur at the same time between the 2 tracks. As you can see the levels of the recording are fine.

    Does anyone have recommended settings for the inputs? My wireless mic is placed in front of the DJ speaker. The zoom is placed just behind the speaker attached to the DJ rig. Are people using the various comp/limiters, LO CUT, Auto Level etc. thank you.

    Scott Gifford
    Scott Gifford Studios

    Keram Msanchez replied 13 years, 7 months ago 9 Members · 12 Replies
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  • Frederic Baumann

    December 13, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Hi,

    I have a H4n as well and never got such things.

    A few questions/remarks:

    – is your wireless mic connected to the H4n while recording? or is it connected to some other recording stuff?

    – the peaks are impressively high, compared to the fact that, if I understand correctly, you did not hear such noise while recording. Couldn’t it be some kind of electrical connectivity problem (e.g. a mic connector wrongly plugged within the H4n)???

    – Did you record the H4n mics sound on the H4n (and on its SD card), or did you simply use the H4n as a mic, the data storage being done by another device? In this case, the pb might come from a wrong connection between the H4n and the recording device.

    Strange anyway, hope this helps though…
    Frederic



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  • Scott Gifford

    December 13, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    I believe the audio issue has something to do with Sony Vegas. The wireless mic was feed into the H4n through a balanced input from the receiver. The Mics on the H4n are built into the unit. The settings used were the 4 channel recording.

    When I listened to the recording (today) directly from the H4n there is no noise. When I bring the files into my computer and play the file in windows media player, there is no noise. When I bring the same file into Vegas 10, Vegas 11, both have the noise present. I then imported the file into another workstation and into Vegas 10 & 11. Noise was present again. Through my process of elimination I am down to the Vegas software as the issue.

    Scott Gifford
    Scott Gifford Studios

  • Scott Gifford

    December 13, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    To answer your question:

    – is your wireless mic connected to the H4n while recording? or is it connected to some other recording stuff?

    While recording. Connected directly.

    Scott Gifford
    Scott Gifford Studios

  • James Kumorek

    December 14, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    I also have an h4n and have never had a problem pulling the media into Vegas. Odd.

    But when I have problems like this in general, I use an external audio editing program, such as Adobe Audition or Sony Sound Forge, to work on the clips. The level of surgery that this will likely require is not what the audio aspects of Vegas are really designed for, IMHO.

  • Frederic Baumann

    December 14, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    According to what you describe (no noise elsewhere than in Vegas), I agree it looks like it would come from Vegas…

    As an alternative to the above mentioned audio software, I regularly use Audacity, which is quite a great and comprehensive freeware. Really powerful for audio editing.

    You will quickly see the audio waves, and will be able to check if there actually are the peaks in the file with it.

    If they don’t show up in Audacity (or another tool), then I don’t know what to say to remove them from within Vegas…

    Did you try changing the Vegas project audio resolution – from 8 to 16 bits for instance? or changing the sample rate?

    Hope this helps,
    Frederic



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  • Ted Snow

    December 14, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    [James Kumorek] “The level of surgery that this will likely require is not what the audio aspects of Vegas are really designed for, IMHO.”

    Actually…VEGAS was an audio software before it was video software. Vegas was the multitrack version of Sound Forge before Sonic Foundry incorporated video into it.

    Vegas is quite capable of doing any audio editing you could ever want to do IMHO.

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  • Scott Francis

    December 15, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Maybe a bad cable, or perhaps an iffy SD card. If it is not indeed a Vegas issue.

    Scott Francis
    Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

  • Mark Mccormack

    December 17, 2011 at 2:13 am

    Clicks and pops often happen when the bit rate and files formats are not matched. Have a look at your audio setting in vegas and see if they are the same as your file. I have mine both set to 44.1 16 bit and i use the zoom all the time no problems. Once you have matched the setting delete then re-insert the files into vegas and use the rebuild audio peaks and see if the glitches are gone. If not try the plugin smooth and enhance it works well for old records I’m not sure but it might work with digital glitches.

  • Bruce Paz

    December 22, 2011 at 4:35 am

    Hi Scott I have H4n I had the same problem, It would make poping and clicking noies it turned out to be a bad card that came with the unit. No problems since i replaced it.

    Bruce Paz
    Northjetty Productions.

  • Keram Msanchez

    March 19, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Having the exact same issue as the OP and suspect, strongly suspect it is a glitch in Vegas (10). Listening in Sound Forge there is no problem. Once it is imported into Vegas 10, random noise bursts are introduced into the H4N files, even within the waveform.

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