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Cutting movie shot on varicam at 720p24….need serious help.
I posted earlier but didn’t give enough background info to get the answers i was looking for…my bad. okay…here is my situation….i’m editing an independent feature(35 hours of footage) shot on the panasonic varicam, so far i’m told all that can be afforded is a 500G FW drive, so I can’t work at recorded full HD quality. I was also told that there can’t be any downconverting to DV tapes for an offline because of no budget. Not exactly an ideal situation. I have had access to a room with the latest FCP HD 5 at friends post house. He does have an AJA IO and a Kona 2, so if I had the drive space there would be no problems. However, I have proceeded to load all the footage in an attemp to do a traditional offline then online workflow. I’ve rented a 1200A varicam deck, loaded the footage compressed at DV NTSC 3:2, 23.98. I didn’t have any good monitors or speakers while i was loading so i didn’t have a good judge of the digitized footage until today. I took it into my friends room that has the Kona 2 and a good client monitor and a cinema display and all the good stuff. I did this to do a quick online test, which actually seemed to work fine. but when i play back the offline footage it looks terrible. very stroby when the camera moves or people move, heavy lagging and stuttering, the sync drifts pretty badly as well. have I screwed myself? there is a DV deck there and I have the 1200A for another week, should i downconvert myself then use DV tapes as source? if so what is that workflow and process? how do i maintain frame rate accuracy when going back to original HD online? are there settings in FCP or the Kona2 that can compensate for this? any help is graetly appreciated!
thanks
jdj-dog edits
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When you digitised did you use firewire or the AJA Kona card via the 1200 SDI down conversion?
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Hello
I think digitizing to dv compression over firewire was not a good idea.
I would use the SDI input of the kona. You have to set up the 1200 to output downconverted SD/NTSC on the SDI out. You should capture with pulldown removal in order to get a 23.98p sequence.
Also check if the camera was set to 60Hz or 59.98Hz. If it was set to 60Hz you have some serious problems.
You could also digitize over firewire with the Panasonic DVCPRO HD 24p capture preset. 720/24p doesn’t use much more space than DV.
Your sequence should then be perfect to do an online in 1080/24p with the Kona card using the upconversion feature of the 1200.
I hope this helps.
I finished a short film shot on Varicam with a offline/online workflow in 25p on Avid systems. Everything worked fine. But after the online i realized, that some shots were shifted by one frame. Make shure to check every shot in the online against the offline reference.
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I think so. I don’t know the AJA in detail.
On my movie we worked with Avid MC Adrenaline and Avid DS Nitris. All over SDI and HD-SDI. -
Just use firewire. The only thing you did wrong was select the wrong capture preset.
RE: Simon
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The only help you need is to tell these grinders to go find another sucker to do their job for nothing. Why in the world would you torture yourself just to cut a feature film for someone who will reap all the benefits later and forget about your existance?
Take 4 hours that you would spend working for these losers and market yourself to someone who is a professional and is willing to pay a fair price for the work that you are capable of. When these types of people call us, we send them to the local college, where they belong.
When they ask on the phone, “What can I get for $200?”, I say “We’re almost there right now”. They hang up and I go back to work making a fair living.
Steve Wargo
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Hey all
I have a similar issue. we are shooting 720/24p/60. We are doing a true pal project using the varicam.
i have a HD1200 deck and a avid express pro Mojo HD
Do you know if the express pro HD takes in 720/24p over firewire or will it be 720/23.98 over firewire into the AVID.
Also could someone advice me how to capture variable frame footage into the Avid
Thanks and Regards
Anshul Doshi
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Hmm. Difficult. I think the preset in Avid xpress pr hd is 23.98.
Try setting the 1200 to 59.98 sytem freq and then capture. If you have in-camera sound, there should be no problem. I think it’s also possible with external sound. Just check the avid manuals. If you shoot film in ntsc land it’s the same. Telecined tapes are on 23.98 and sound is in 24. I’m sure there is a workflow for this.
Avid takes only variable fram rates of 60 fps or 30 fps into 23.98 projects and converts it. If you had other frame rates you have to go over the panasonic frame rate converter.
On my project I converted all variable fps shots to 25p (24p in your case).
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Hi Ashul,
It is best not to use any of the 59.94 settings if you are doing 24p PAL. You will introduce a time artefact that cannot be recovered from, in PAL you will be editing in 24 complete frames per second and not 23.97 as in the NTSC world. I can’t help you with the Avid questions unfortunately.
Gary? John? Leo?
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