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  • eric monroe

    April 30, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Okay, so here we are on the day of the long awaited ability to edit AVCHD footage natively in a 64-bit environment, and the CS5 trial releases with no option to use AVCHD, DSLR, or RED footage.

    SERIOUSLY?!?! Am I missing something here?

    That is what EVERY single advertisement/video marketing ploy that they have been pushing for the last 4+ months has been saying about how great P-pro CS5 is, and we cant even try it…..the software will shutdown after 30 days for cryin out loud….what gives?

    So basically we are supposed to give them almost 2 grand for software that we have NO CLUE whether or not will be any better than CS4. That’s like a movie theater advertising the most incredible 3D experience on the planet, and then offering a free trial day to come check it out, only to give you NO GLASSES to view the amazing difference. AHHHHHHHHH!

    comments welcome.

  • Vince Becquiot

    April 30, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Eric,

    Calm down. There are restrictions on any trial software. Most do restrict the use of certain formats, and most of these restrictions are put in place by the people licensing those formats.

    They should be limited to encoding, I’m not sure if this applies to the timeline itself.

    Have you tried creating a custom preset?

    Vince Becquiot

    Kaptis Studios
    San Francisco – Bay Area

  • eric monroe

    April 30, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Hey Vince,

    “calm down” hahaha (I didnt sound “that” irrate did I?) :o) Just really dissappointed, that’s all…..have been looking forward to this for months, i’m sure along with boatloads of others, only to get a “punch” in the gut. lol

    Anyhow, I totally understand “why” they dont allow it. And I agree 100% with you, that we should be able to use it on the timeline and only have the ability to encode videos in those formats disabled. I refuse to drop that kinda dough when I cant even see if my system is able to handle the software, and if it can, will it really benefit greatly from it. Oh well…..just have to sit back and read about the experiences of others over the next few months to see if it is of interest then.

    Have a great night.

  • Bob Dix

    April 30, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    That would be normal for Adobe you could not even trial high definition on the previous trials, a complete loss. You have got to buy it, it may be ok. But, trial it never. I have been using Premiere Pro 1.5.1 for 5 years and it has been a superb editor but it cannot handle the latest codecs very well , like H.264 mov out of a Canon EOS 5D mark II.It will handle it technically very well but, it is very, very slow.A new computer 64 bit is called for regardless.
    I have trialled Sony Vegas but, it does not do the work as well as Premiere Pro.

    I trialled the latest amateur version Premiere Elements 8 some time ago and it had trial version plastered over the monitor but, I think it ran all the latest codecs & high definition, but, was not in the same league as the 3 year old Premiere Pro, incidentally Premiere Elements 4 can handle H.264 and some of the others but, it too is slow.
    Good luck ?

    Freelance Imaging & Video
    AUSTRALIA

  • Eric Addison

    April 30, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Hey Eric,

    With some of the MPEG based formats (AVCHD, XDCAM HD,etc.) the reason there is no support in the trial is because Adobe has to pay a licence fee for each copy that that contains MPEG support. If they included it in the trial, it would cost them a fortune. It’s rough I know, but I understand why they can’t…as for RED, I assume it’s the same thing – or something similar.

    As for how CS5 handles AVCHD, from my experience so far it’s very good. Better then CS4.

    —Eric
    Owner | 100 ACRE FILMS

    Homepage

  • Bob Dix

    May 1, 2010 at 12:11 am

    Hi Eric,
    For what it is worth , I would have upgraded at least 3 times in the past 5 years, but, could not trial what I wanted to.(So Adobe have lost thousands of dollars in sales) In any case the old Premiere Pro is very good ,still,but, the very latest codecs will force me to now change , the computer, the operating system and up grade to CS5 Premeire Pro. I hope to have no problemns?

    I can truly understand your frustration with Adobe..

    Freelance Imaging & Video
    AUSTRALIA

  • Anthony Miles

    May 1, 2010 at 12:35 am

    I too have been eagerly awaiting these new what sounds to be very useful upgrades in speed and capability. I moved from adobe to FCP about 4 years ago and FCP was so stable it was amazing, it literally changed my life where the old PPro was always crashing. I want to try CS5 as well, but looks like I will have to try another route to see if it truly does what Adobe marketing it says and if it is STABLE on longer form projects.

    You think the companies doing the licensing would see teh benefit of extending the trial as well. it is pretty short sighted from a business perspective to not let Adobe pt it out there to show it off. Unless Apple owns the licenses and they don’t want to share the love 🙂

    Best,
    Anthony

    Best regards,
    Anthony Miles
    DP, Editor 4th Wall Productions, LLC
    https://4thwalltvandfilm.com

  • eric monroe

    May 1, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Hey Anthony,

    I recently gave FCP studio 2 a try and really liked it. It is very stable and very smooth in the way that it handles footage etc. I have always been a diehard Ppro user, but I agree with you on the fact that it has its downfalls in the area of stability.

    So, since the only way that CS5 will seem to benefit me is if I buy a $4000.00 Quadro card, I will just dive into FCP and take a look at the new FCP Studio 3. I guess it won’t hurt to spend some time there anyways….it will just make me more rounded as an editor….being able to operate in either system.

    Eric

  • Anthony Miles

    May 1, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Thanks Eric,
    I appreciate it. I am seriously considering the addition and wanting to enjoy the benefits of PPro CS5 advertised speed enhancements, but I really can not handle regular instability in my editing environment.

    I look forward to more comments from other users.

    Best regards,
    Anthony Miles
    DP, Editor 4th Wall Productions, LLC
    https://4thwalltvandfilm.com

  • Eric Addison

    May 1, 2010 at 1:35 am

    “So, since the only way that CS5 will seem to benefit me is if I buy a $4000.00 Quadro card…”

    Not true at all. I’ve got it running on my laptop without CUDA acceleration, and I still get the benefit of the Mercury Playback only it’s not as powerful at with the Quadro or GTX card.

    As an example, I laid down some greenscreen footage shot XDCAM EX 1080 30p on a timeline, used the new Ultra keyer, and the keyed footage played back in realtime without needing to render. I could not do that in CS4 (or FCP).

    Now, if you don’t have that powerful of a system, your results may vary – my laptop is a i7 920 2Ghz with 8GB RAM and a GTX 230M 1GB video card. But just know that you don’t need the Quadro is see improved playback…it just won’t be quite as powerful as with the card.

    Oh, and you don’t need to spend $4000 for a card – the GTX 285 is around $400, and the Quadro 3800 is about $700.

    —Eric
    Owner | 100 ACRE FILMS

    Homepage

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