Creative Cloud Q&A

[Marcus Lyall]

Adobe seem to have spent a huge amount of time convincing the post industry that it’s a viable proposition for larger projects and professional workflows…. Only to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

It would be really nice to have a little product stability in Premiere and AFX in order for us to make some decisions about whether it’s worth rolling out to our whole business.

We’ve just got to the point where we’ve settled on Premiere as our primary editing package, despite it’s stability issues. It’s just not as stable as FCP classic was.
Premiere still a bit unstable. Would be nice if it didn’t crash so hard.
Would be better if I didn’t have to pay a monthly subscription on top of my 3 CS6 licenses to have this ‘feature.

Also, Multiple CC licenses need to be able to be administered from one account.
So I don;t have to set up dummy accounts for freelancers.
Dunno if you can do this at the moment.

Great innovations coming from Adobe. Premiere and AFX looking better than ever….
Maybe just leave the license innovations a while until the market is truly captured?

[Ridley Walker]

This really made my hair stand on end.

The legal agreement for CC is Draconian. They require you Date of Birth, can raise the price at any time without warning and there is no guarantee of continued access to the product or service.

https://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2013/20130508_1-Adobe-birth-date.html

[Jim Scott]

Dave, concerning your first post above you made a comment that I have seen expressed by several others:

“Sure, future versions of AE — and probably other Adobe products as well — will allow users to backsave to CS6. But how long is THAT going to last? There are no guarantees: think 128-bit processors, for starters.”

I recently had an email conversation with Kirsten Harris, Director, Adobe Global Services, in which she said the following:

“While the new After Effects and Premiere Pro CC don’t allow to save files in a CS6 format (Photoshop and some other applications do), a project created in CC can be opened in a newer versions if you later renew a monthly or annual membership. This has always been the case for our applications and isn’t new to the Creative Cloud.”

So then, according to Adobe we will NOT be able to open AE and Premiere Pro CC project files in CS6. It is apparent once again that a subscription will have to be maintained/renewed in order to work with any projects created in the new Creative Cloud versions. The fall back of having a perpetual license of CS6 is essentially useless (at least for AE and Premiere).

Hope that helps clarify what we all see as an important aspect of this conundrum.

[Steve Forde]

Dave L – if you’re interested in a ‘discussion’ I’m in. I’m happy to engage in a dialogue about any component and give my point of view.

What I will not do is subscribe to idle speculation, fear mongering or a general desire for scandal. I will just simply say that we feel very strongly that what we are doing is the right move for both Adobe and our customers – end stop.

I respect your opinion to disagree. Ultimately, you as our customer are the final judge and will vote with your wallet.

Steve Forde
Adobe Systems Inc.

[Steve Forde]

“While the new After Effects and Premiere Pro CC don’t allow to save files in a CS6 format ”

This is slightly incorrect. Ae allows you to save one version back with each version. Ae CC will allow you to save a .aep in CS6 format.

Also – CC members will have access to all versions of the products starting with CS6. In other words – it’s 2018 and you can download and install Ae CS6 or any version in between.

Steve Forde
Adobe Systems Inc.

[Jim Scott]

Thanks for the clarification Steve. But as CC versions change (ie., a CC3 two years from now) won’t that mean that any projects created in them can’t be opened in CS6? Or will we have to keep “back saving” until we have saved it in CC1 so that it is usable in CS6?

Thanks

[Todd Kopriva]

> If they only need to open one app, that’s fine. But what if they need to use more than one app? What if somone needs access to a Premiere Pro CC Project that has AE comps dynamically linked to it? Downloading the 30-day trial won’t work in this case, since there’s no Creative Suite available with the new versions.

Yes, it would work. You could subscribe to just After Effects and Premiere Pro for this purpose.

Dynamic Link works between applications without requiring the suite, as of CS6.

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Todd Kopriva, Adobe Systems Incorporated
After Effects quality engineering
After Effects team blog
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[Todd Kopriva]

> Thanks for the clarification Steve. But as CC versions change (ie., a CC3 two years from now) won’t that mean that any projects created in them can’t be opened in CS6? Or will we have to keep “back saving” until we have saved it in CC1 so that it is usable in CS6?

We are intending to have the command to save back to CS6 in the next several versions of After Effects.

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Todd Kopriva, Adobe Systems Incorporated
After Effects quality engineering
After Effects team blog
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[Jason Jantzen]

It seems to me with the CC subscription model allowing Adobe to update the software on the fly, and no need to call it cs# any longer, why the need then for the ability to back save? In theory, AE version 11 is the last version number. No need to call it version anything since you’re essentially strapping on new parts from to time. Overhauling the interface and what not would just be update #.#.# with a date attached maybe. In order to open up old files…well you can already do that today with the newer versions. And since nobody will be running older versions, there’s no need to back save unless someone hasn’t updated yet, in which case you tell them to get off their thumbs and update already.

Jason Jantzen
vimeo.com/jasonj

[Atticus Culver-rease]

Thanks for being willing to answer some questions, hopefully I’m not too late to the party with this one. Personally I’m not one of the people who thinks the sky is falling due to the move to Creative Cloud, and I think even with the new pricing and subscription model that Adobe’s tools are still a great value and I know I’ll be moving to CC once it’s released. But what I’d like to hear is why you think the Creative Cloud model is good for your pro video users?

It’s pretty obvious that the CC model benefits Adobe in a number of ways, but I’m not convinced that it benefits your users much. Getting access to all the Adobe apps that I don’t need doesn’t strike me as much of a benefit. You threw in some cloud storage… okay that’s nice I guess, but I already have Dropbox. Behance integration… nobody cares. Bug fixes and new features will get rolled out faster… well maybe they will, but there’s no guarantee, and we now have to pay whether we think the new features are any good or not if we want to keep working. It just seems that even though I like and trust Adobe and have generally thought nothing but warm happy thoughts about your company over the nearly 20 years that I’ve been using your products that I’m not seeing what the upside is for me in the switch to the CC subscription model, and I’m surprised at that.