correct me if I’m wrong, but dupe as new master…

[John Pale]

timecode is embedded in the media file…you cant change one without changing the other.
if you duplicate the media file itself, you can change the timecode of one of them.

[Jerry Hofmann]

I think you need to make them independent clips… not just a copy of a master.

Jerry

[Charles Roberts]

there is no media yet, they are offline clips. That’s the point of a MASTER clip, to carry original timecode values that point to a media file, not a clip that reads timecode FROM a media file. The clip itself carries timecode values certainly. It doesn’t need media to carry timecode (even though QT Movies can now do so), otherwise you couldn’t batch capture with timecode, dig? I’m not sure what the point of duplicating as a new master, if the new master clip is still locked to the old master clip’s timecode in and out and media start stop points. And that’s not how Make Sequence Clips Independent works. And besides, I can easily change the original master clip’s TC values. How exactly is the new master a new master?

I’m not sure this is how its intended to work.

[Charles Roberts]

Make clips independent, I believe, only refers to sequence affiliates, not duping masters in the browser.

And this is actually a menu item “Duplicate as New Master Clip”. Its just not doing anything other than duplicating as an affiliate that I can see.

Anybody got the cajones to confirm or deny?

[John Pale]

Since this is offline material, you can export as a batch list, then can change anything you want in Excel or a text editor…then reimport the batch list. This will work.

Sorry it doesnt work the way you want it to. I agree with your points. If there is no media yet, you should be allowed to change anything in the clip info.

[Jerry Hofmann]

Dupe then change the name?

Jerry

[Charles Roberts]

Nope, defeats the purpose. I need to be able to dupe the clip, then change certain aspects without affecting the original master. This not working also has implications for MM operations and other stuff. Its not life threatening, but I’m not sure I understand the point of the name “duplicate as a new master” if the duplicate doesn’t act like a new master.

I wonder if the old drag and drop to a new project would orphan it the way we used to do before Make Clip Independent was fixed in the original Master Affiliate MM trimming debacles.

BTW Jerry, 6.0.1 and 1.0.1 fixed the 24P HDV and DV to Color thing. I wasn’t crazy, at least not about that…

[John Pale]

[chawla] ” but I’m not sure I understand the point of the name “duplicate as a new master” if the duplicate doesn’t act like a new master.”

I cant speak for Apple, but I think the thought is that the new master’s children (ie subclips, etc) are only tied to the new master. They obviously didnt envision a scenario where 2 master clips would exist for the same media file, and that somebody might want to have 2 different reel names or timecode for each master clip. I’m not exactly sure I understand what you are doing either. How can the same media file have 2 different master clips with different timecode? I’m sure something is just getting lost in the translation….don’t kill me for being dense.

My only difficulty with the present situation involves a multicam situation, where you want to log just one tape but have the logging apply to all the tapes. At present, you cant simply dupe the offline master clip and change the reel number, as it changes the reel number of the original. Using the Batch List export/import, I can get around that pretty easily.

[Jerry Hofmann]

OK I got it.. put the clip in the log and capture window by simply dragging it there. Log it again… I’ll bet it’s totally independent of the old clip.

Jerry

[Charles Roberts]

blehh, that’s lame. I’m a browser boy, text view and nothing else. Why would I go all the way to the log and capture window and drag and drop, when I can hit one keystroke and change one value in the browser to do the same thing and all in one window? This is FCP, fewer steps is better steps…