July 16, 2021 at 12:10 am
After scouring the net, am I correct that with Final Cut Pro X there is no way to consolidate an export for round tripping, that is, with the option deleting unused portions of clips and specifying handles? (For those not familiar with the other editing platforms — this doesn’t mean excluding unused clips, but rather excluding unused portions of each clip in use, save for optionally specified handles. On professional platforms, the result would be for, say, the twenty seconds in use of a two minute clip, during batch export only the twenty seconds in use will automatically copy over.)
Thank you for your help … or conformation!
July 16, 2021 at 5:55 am
Well, an “export” is not usually used if there is a “roundtrip” involved
that includes unused clips and any handles.
To do a round trip, one can send the Library file in it’s entirety.
And then the other user can send back a project file / event file that would fit right in to the original Library of Events.
Are you saying that you want to send someone a set of clips that are 2 minutes all together
and have that person send back one of them with new start and stop times?
July 16, 2021 at 2:28 pm
Exporting a timeline of a clip selection (or consolidate with trim) with extra user-specified handles is a common need, especially when working remotely. I really wish FCP had that — provided it worked comprehensively and reliably.
In FCP you can export all clips used in a timeline with the event browser “used media” filter, but (a) not with additional user-specified handles, and (b) multicam clips cannot be exported.
The 3rd-party tool Worx4 X can do export with user-specified handles, albeit with several limitations. It will not trim MXF, compound, multicam or sync clips: https://worx4.com
Resolve has this feature (called media management) but in my testing it has been unreliable. A few months ago I tested numerous codecs on Resolve Studio 17.1.1, and it caused frequent data corruption of some Long GOP destination clips if using the “copy” (not transcode) option. Most All Intra clips worked OK, but it failed on MXF-wrapped All Intra from a Sony FX6. Resolve formerly had both “move” and “copy” options for this; the “move” option has been removed, maybe because of reliability problems.
I just re-tested it on 17.2.2 and it seems to work better now. However because of all the previous problems I’d have to test it rigorously before I trusted it on an actual project.
There may be a technical challenge in doing this safely. In Resolve’s implementation, you can select “copy” or “transcode”. The copy case is a bulk “no encode” trim of many (potentially hundreds or even thousands) of clips, possibly comprised of many different complex Long GOP codecs. When you do a no-encode trim of a single clip using Quicktime Player, you know immediately if it worked or not. However a bulk operation could jeopardize data integrity of some clips. Even if it worked OK 98% of time, in a big operation numerous destination clips could be damaged. Most people aren’t going to check every frame of every clip.
Other implementation options might include doing only re-encode trims, which would likely be safer but would be much slower and involve generational loss, esp. for Long GOP codecs.
For the transcode case, it can’t be that hard because FCP essentially does that now, just doesn’t allow user-specified handles and won’t do multicam.
July 19, 2021 at 8:31 am
Fantastic reply, thank you.
You’re right that it is quite standard and essential for pro platforms and odd as heck that FCPX doesn’t have it, especially after so much time “maturing”. Avid has always had it (and done it well). Davinci has it. Premiere has it.
FCP 7 (Final Cut “Classic”) could do it.
Still miss it!
* I believe even the best working version, FCP 1 — built from Macromedia’s typically genius tight coding (subsequently sold to Apple and before Apple’s bloaty ways accompanied years of albeit great new features, beginning with a noticeably hoggy FCP2) — could do it.
July 20, 2021 at 12:13 am
Thank you, John.
Odd to max that FCP can’t do that. FCP 7 of course could do it.
(And Avid and Premiere and Davinci…)
July 20, 2021 at 3:47 pm
Seems like this is kind of utility that Philip Hodgetts and the team at Intelligent Assistance Software might create.
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