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  • David Cherniack

    April 5, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “but if I had been a long term PPro user pre 6 (and god love you if you were) then I might feel a tiny bit drowned out right now.”

    Being a long term Premiere user (1.5 🙂 I wasn’t bothered at all by the FCPheads signing on. In fact just the opposite. It brought a welcome breath of fresh air and (clearly) an added fusion of resources from head office into the software. Of course some of the requests want to re-make it into FCP 8 (maybe 9) but most just want to improve work flow efficiency.

    But some people get fixed in their ways and resist change. It’s a planetary problem.

    David
    AllinOneFilms.com

  • Chris Harlan

    April 5, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Me too.

  • Steve Connor

    April 5, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    [David Cherniack] “But some people get fixed in their ways and resist change. It’s a planetary problem.”

    My quote of the year so far!

    Steve Connor

    There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum

  • Steve Connor

    April 5, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “It’s the month of may dude.”

    Must have missed that announcement!

    Steve Connor

    There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum

  • Aindreas Gallagher

    April 5, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    [David Cherniack] “Being a long term Premiere user (1.5 :)”

    er, apologies bud – “god love you” sounds quite the johnny come lately on reflection 🙂

    https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

  • Joseph W. bourke

    April 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    I’m also a PPro user, having also been an Edit* and AVID user, and I’m as happy as a clam at high tide that the FCP people coming on to PPro have made Adobe look around, shake off the dust, and hit the ground running. Granted, it’s a major business opportunity for them, but it also pushes the NLE model forward. It’s always been a race between NLEs – it was Media 100 vs AVID, then it was AVID vs Edit*, then FCP vs AVID, and now FCPX vs AVID vs PPro (not necessarily in that order, either), and all the feature creep and improvements were good for all of us…I think PPro has some things to learn from FCP7 AND FCPX, and vice versa. No one of them is going to kill the other; just push it forward.

    Joe Bourke
    Owner/Creative Director
    Bourke Media
    http://www.bourkemedia.com

  • David Lawrence

    April 5, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    [Steve Connor] “However discussion that is purely about FCPX does get easily sidetracked here and perhaps some of it might be better placed in the Techniques forum.”

    Agreed. I always feel a bit bad when someone new wanders into this forum with a purely technical question that would be better suited in the “techniques” forum.

    I notice there’s a new link at the bottom of all posts (beneath the social buttons) for ” Move to Apple FCPX Techniques Forum”. Perhaps we should be using that more often?

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  • David Cherniack

    April 5, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “er, apologies bud – “god love you” sounds quite the johnny come lately on reflection :)”

    Well..er..it’s almost ten years…though the first 5 or 6 felt a lot longer than that, I’ll tell ya…so I feel justified by the “long term-ese”.

    David
    AllinOneFilms.com

  • Aindreas Gallagher

    April 6, 2013 at 12:04 am

    [Joseph W. Bourke] “No one of them is going to kill the other; just push it forward.”

    amen to that.

    Also it might be my one true love – but FCPX’s clip native inspector architecture for audio channel enabling, and the native CC with power windows for masking – masking that runs like butter in HD on a bog standard imac with multiple effects – is just ridiculously powerful thinking on their part.

    If that third party tracking data rumour stuff is true..

    but it basically boils down to whether or not apple are willing to throw up their hands and re-introduce formally opaque complexity to software of this kind.

    are they willing to publish paragraphs like this for instance:

    https://provideocoalition.com/images/uploads/scott/ppro_next/PPro_Next_timeline-display-settings.jpg

    that menu actually comprises current presets and the option to save a preset along with with other general actionable options.
    Yes it’s a paragraph -but that is adobe directly working their asses off at break neck speed to get it in – and relying on a relationship.

    that is adobe producing a range of statements and options to their editors – on a right click. Like any advanced software, it implies intimacy.
    Asking the editor a number of questions about what the editor wants to happen at any moment in GUI or action terms.

    I rather completely dig it. That is no way an impenetrable list – at all – given I’ve been at this for a while, it’s just a very nice menu.

    the question is: are apple broadly happy where they are strategically, (and hey I suspect they are. they are rearing editors no matter what anyone says)
    but – if not,
    are they willing to get back, to some degree into the weeds, as they view it, with that kind of expressed understood language back and forth? Software asking multiple questions?

    It seems to me that apple have a problem insofar as they are unwilling to alter first apprehension simplicity of the software, because there was a possibly stroke of genius from jobs to simply demand fundamental legibility at the outset, with unlimited-ish feature complexity scaling on the quiet back end.
    Mind you – God knows the guys at FCPX are trying it now.

    As an idiot, I think there is possibly an issue with the single brick interface that the FCPX developers are banging up against, and – to be fair – the tilde key stuff seems like them trying to get out of the jail that Jobs – if the Ubilos first cut rumours are true – put them in.

    anyone would be curious what short hand latitude given to the FCPX team would look like.

    https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

  • Lance Bachelder

    April 6, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Grump hat accepted… but I didn’t start anything on this, all I did was agree with the other Lance – Joseph drew first blood in his usual condescending way.

    Yes I have a serious problem with folks getting personal via the comfy protection their internet connection. The amount of disrespect shown by certain regulars here toward others with equal or greater industry experience gets ridiculous at times.

    I love debating, arguing, yelling at each other whatever… then grabbing a beer together – that’s the way I roll – but some have to get personal every freaking time they disagree – I just think if you’re gonna get personal all the time, it’s gonna catch up to you at some point.

    Lance Bachelder
    Writer, Editor, Director
    Downtown Long Beach, California
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

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