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  • cinema tools / fcp / home telecine and xdcam – help!

    Posted by Renee Litapop on October 26, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    hi,

    i seem to have gotten myself into a complicated pulldown / framerate situation that i can’t untangle. i’m inexperienced with working in fcp with film, and trying to do some tests to model possible workflows for a project i’m about to start. i shot a 16mm test roll with separately recorded sync sound (recorder on a handheld digital audio recorder) and am trying to test out the syncing process in fcp. i did a cheap / home telecine with the footage, shooting with the xdcam from a projection. i shot at 720 30P, which might have been my first mistake (not to use a 24 fps framerate). but i thought i could use cinematools to reverse this. now in fcp when i sync up the sound, the sync drifts badly after a few seconds, i presume due to the extra frames added by the video camera. when i try to do a “reverse telecine” on this test clip in fcp or in cinema tools is gives me an error message and says it can’t process this clip. when i look up the format info, it does say that the frame rate is 29.97 fps… so i’m not sure why it can’t do the reverse telecine. what am i doing wrong? or is there something i can do with my audio to add the same number of extra frames? or should i use a different camera format in the future? any advice would be much appreciated.

    thanks!

    Rafael Amador replied 16 years, 9 months ago 4 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Michael Gissing

    October 26, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Regardless of frame rate woes, there is no way you can project and shoot an image on camera that will hold sync with location sound.

    Do a proper telecine where everything is referenced. Get them to supply 1080 ProRes files at 24fps. provided the film camera was crystal synced @ 24 fps and the audio record device had a decent crystal lock, the two should sync properly.

  • Shane Ross

    October 26, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    YOu can’t reverse telecine GOP formats like HDV or XDCAM.

    And I HIGHLY doubt that a home transfer of this type will sync up properly. The projector isn’t designed to run at a constant…RIGIDLY CONSTANT…rate of speed. Only a proper telecine at a film post house will sync with secondary audio. In my experience.

    Shane

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  • Rafael Amador

    October 27, 2009 at 11:55 am

    [Shane Ross] “YOu can’t reverse telecine GOP formats like HDV or XDCAM. “
    Right. Neither you can Conform. It happens with MPEG-2 GOP based, H264 and so. You can do that only with Intraframe codecs.
    Rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

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