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  • Can’t insert chapter markers to create DVD DL media

    Posted by Heinz Melus on November 21, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Hello
    I use Vegas Pro 11 and DVDA 6. I got an old VSH tape which I captured into VEGAS. I rendered for DVD. Size 5 GB. I wanted to write a DL 8,5GB DVD to make a gift to a friend. I bought Verbatim +R DL media. DVDA does not automatically split the portions for the 2 layers. It says INSERT CHAPTER MARKER between 44 and 47 min. In Vegas I put a generated media at 45 min and rendered again. In DVDA inserted a chapter marker. In DVDA you see the split on the time line and the chapter marker has a small icon with a “1”. The dialog box has greyed buttons except the cancel. Don’t know how to continue.
    The timeline shows the split.
    I have a Blu-ray writer with support of DL.
    What could be wrong?

    Heinz

    Nigel O’neill replied 10 years, 7 months ago 4 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Stephen Mann

    November 21, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Why don’t you just lower the bitrate a little and put it on a DVD-5?

    Steve Mann
    MannMade Digital Video
    http://www.mmdv.com

  • Heinz Melus

    November 21, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Thanks Steve for the fast reply.
    I tried to use functions in DVDA only. I used FIT TO ONE DISK, optimize and reduced the bitrate from 8 to 6. DVD refused to change it. Volume too big to reduce. May be I should have reduced the bitrate in Vegas what I didn’t.
    What did I wrong in DVDA to get it burning? The timeline was split but it didn’t accept to start the burning.
    Can anybody tell me, what type of layering has the VERBATIM DVD +R DL media? is it opposite or parallel? The description say AZO. The layer position is also a param to set up the process. This is my first DL DVD
    Thanks for any help.

    Heinz

  • Stephen Mann

    November 21, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    I’ve never made a dual-layer DVD because many forum users have said that DL-DVD disks are terribly unreliable for general distribution. You are starting with VHS quality video and just slightly larger than a DVD-5 so just adjust your bitrate in Vegas to get an mpeg video file under 4.3Gb, then it will load into DVDA without further “fixing” by DVDA.

    You should never let DVDA clean up your encoding. Fit to Disk is brute-force and could compromise your video because you are recompressing already compressed video.

    Steve Mann
    MannMade Digital Video
    http://www.mmdv.com

  • Heinz Melus

    November 22, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Thanks Steve, this helps for this project.
    I also have many other projects bigger than 1 DVD size. I shot private videos in the 90ies. What would you recommend to do with these? Several DVDs instead of a double layer?

    Heinz

  • Stephen Mann

    November 22, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    I shoot stage performance videos and often put up to two hours on one DVD. Yes, there’s a bit of degradation but it’s good enough for the client, and the client won’t pay the additional cost of a DL or BD disc.

    For longer storage I capture VHS tapes to AVI files and store the files on hard disks. I have a closet full of hard disk drives and in ten years of this kind of archival storage, I have not once been unable to return to the original footage.

    Steve Mann
    MannMade Digital Video
    http://www.mmdv.com

  • Nigel O’neill

    November 23, 2013 at 2:07 am

    I just recorded a 1 hr 50 min performance and popped that into DVDA using the DVD9 template to create the chapter markers, menu and then created the vob files. That’s where I stop using DVDA and use Nero to burn the disc.

    I have not had any problems with chapter markers using this method. Yes, that means I cannot control where the layer change occurs, but most of my clients generally don’t card.

    In terms of readability, I have to force the book type of DVD9 discs to DVD-ROM in Nero, which ensures maximum compatibility with players. So far, no returns for discs I have burned this way. I also avoid burning at the maximum speed, and burn 25%-35% slower. So for a 6x disc, I burn at 4x.

    My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 12 (x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6

  • Ralph Hajik

    November 23, 2013 at 5:30 am

    Hi Guys,

    I have just completed my first Verbatim DVD+R Dual Layer from my trip from Spain which was 1 hour 24 minutes long. Yes, I know. Why didn’t I just use a regular DVD-R? This is just a test. I used Ultimate S Lite and all my chapter markers came in perfectly. The Verbatim DVD+R Dual Layer worked in all my players from the newest to the oldest. Next I’ll try the DVD-5 and see what happens.

    Ralph Hajik

    Happy Travels
    https://www.RJTravelMedia.com

  • Heinz Melus

    November 23, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Thanks Nigel,
    I’m not a pro, I’m a Newby. I bought Vegas Pro to make video from our the tapes we shot the last 20 years. This one is a VHS tape from the early 90-ies. I wanted to give a copy to friends, which are on the clips. The best media would be a DVD for home use. For myself, I keep all on external discs. I used Scene Analyzer to capture then rendered with MAINCONCEPT = .mpg. The Total Size is 5 GB. Then my trouble started.
    In DVDA I had chosen first FIT to DISC, which were refused. Then I tried to reduce the bitrate in DVDA, also refused. Then I started with DVD9. I bought Verbatim +R DL media. It doesn’t say which type the double layer is manufactured: opposite or parallel, I tried both in the setup. DVDA proposed a CAPTER MARKER between 44 and 47 min. I managed to place it in that region. It was a small yellow icon with a 1 in it. DVDA didn’t recognize this. I don’t know why. The footage on the timeline showed the split. It repeatedly said put the marker in between 44 and 47. This was the end.
    What do you exactly: you put your rendered piece into DVDA and set it up in PREPARE DVD. What method of the second layer do you use? Parallel or opposite. You set the chapter marker in the middle? On one defined or random position? You are now in the middle of a process. How do you save all and get the files out to Nero?
    I don’t know NERO at all.
    Could you describe a bit more exactly what you do in NERO.

    “I have to force the book type of DVD9 discs to DVD-ROM in Nero”
    Could you more detailed describe how do you do this and may be the whole NERO setup, please.
    Thank you in advance

    Heinz

  • Ralph Hajik

    November 23, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Heinz,

    Do you have Ultimate S Lite? I have no problems bringing my chapter makers into DVDA with that product. I’m not being endorsed in anyway, shape or form by VASST Ultimate S Lite. I had the same issues bringing in my chapter markers into DVDA until I used this product. I used Verbatim DVD+R DL when needed and I was asked where to split my video or have the program do it. It’s that to use. I like EASY and FAST by VASST.Plus, it has its own calculator built into the program.
    https://vasst.com/store-1.aspx
    Good Luck.

    Ralph Hajik

    Happy Travels
    https://www.RJTravelMedia.com

  • Nigel O’neill

    November 23, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    I’ll post my response in parts:

    When the booktype field (bitsetting) is changed to DVD-ROM then DVD players are fooled and will think the user has put in a DVD-ROM disc instead of a DVD+R disc and will read it accordingly. This results in an increased chance that the player is able to read the disc and that’s why the ability to change the booktype field (bitsetting) is essential to a lot of users. Certainly owners of a DVD player that requires this field to be set to DVD-ROM, in order to work properly, will prefer a DVD recorder that supports setting the booktype field.

    The Book Type is a field of four bits at the start of every DVD (in the physical format information section of the control data block) that indicates what the physical format of the disc is. Many devices will use this “Book Type Field” to determine how the disc should be treated. One common cause of compatibility problems is when a device does not recognize the Book Type of the disc that has been loaded, most likely as a result of the device being manufactured before that particular Book Type has been defined (e.g., most DVD playback devices made before mid-2004 will not recognize the relatively new DVD+R DL Book Type). For DVD+R, DVD+RW, and DVD+R DL discs, it is possible to change the Book Type field value to the value for DVD-ROM (or in some rare and unorthodox cases, even the value for DVD-R) in order to fool older devices that do not recognize newer Book Type Field values (this process is known as bitsetting).

    Change Your DVD+R/DVD+RW/DVD+R DL Media to DVD-ROM using Nero Burning ROM

    This assumes that you have a working compilation to burn
    Put in a Blank disk into your DVD Burner
    Open up the Nero SmartStart
    Click on “Recorder” > “Choose Recorder”.
    Select your DVD Burner
    Then click on “Options”, then on “Book Type Settings”, set to “DVD-ROM” and click “OK”
    Now whenever you use Nero to burn Media, it will use the BookType or BitSet to DVD-ROM

    Note: You will need to change it back to automatic once you are done.

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