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Canon 5d Mark III clips wont play in multiclip
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The 5D clips DO work on their own in the event/storyline. They will not work in the angle editor coming from PE. I’ve only transcoded to Prores LT beforehand because it wouldn’t work with the native clips. You’re half right. Transcoding should not be necessary outside of X of syncing most definitely is. X does not have the ability to sync long (1-2 hour) multi clips. It works swell for short segment or say 3 long clips that are close in length. 3 cameras of start stop dslr, multiple audio sources faggetaboudit. Actually as I’ve complained many times, it doesn’t handle long multicam stuff well at all. I just make it work. In fact any long multi clip wont even play on the event side, but thats another issue only Apple can fix.
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I have Multicams ranging from 22 minutes to 1 hour & 49 minutes. 5 cameras with lots of stops and starts. Cameras are 7D’s, JVC HD camera, Sony Handycam, mixed frame rates at 29.97 & 23.98 and it plays. No Proxy or transcoded media. I do have the playback quality set to better performance. The only thing I don’t have that you’re talking about is footage from the 5D or other audio sources.
[David Powell] “X does not have the ability to sync long (1-2 hour) multi clips. It works swell for short segment or say 3 long clips that are close in length. 3 cameras of start stop dslr, multiple audio sources faggetaboudit. Actually as I’ve complained many times, it doesn’t handle long multicam stuff well at all. I just make it work. In fact any long multi clip wont even play on the event side, but thats another issue only Apple can fix.”
Dajen Productions, Santa Barbara, CA
MacPro 3.2GHz Quad Core – AJA Kona LHe+
FCS 3 OS X 10.7.4
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I’ve done a ton of these projects but something about the originals from 5d Mark III (don’t have this problem with the previous Canon) won’t translate from Plural Eyes to X. Other than that I have no playback issues no matter how many cams (most of my projects are 6 cam).
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Ah, okay I misunderstood this statement.
X does not have the ability to sync long (1-2 hour) multi clips. It works swell for short segment or say 3 long clips that are close in length. 3 cameras of start stop dslr, multiple audio sources faggetaboudit. Actually as I’ve complained many times, it doesn’t handle long multicam stuff well at all. I just make it work. In fact any long multi clip wont even play on the event side, but thats another issue only Apple can fix.
Dajen Productions, Santa Barbara, CA
MacPro 3.2GHz Quad Core – AJA Kona LHe+
FCS 3 OS X 10.7.4
FCP X, Logic Pro, Squeeze, Filemaker 10.8.3 -
Out of curiosity, are you able to get your 1hr 49min multiclips to play on the event side?
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David,
I kinda think it’s important when you’re looking for help on hardware/software issues to come to the point where you start every interaction with an honest attempt to determine whether this is a problem a LOT of people are having – or whether it’s a problem YOU are having.
Right now, the way you’ve brought this here -and the responses you’ve gotten from others – kinda point in the direction that it’s a problem YOU are having, but not one that a whole lot of others are having.
This is quite instructive, since it helps you understand that instead of needing to look at Apple for the solution (a thing that is vastly out of your control) – you can simply focus on your own practices and hopefully get a much faster solution.
A lot of us have been doing complex multi-cam work in FCP-X and there’s very little anecdotal evidence that it has problems with lots of angles or long form content. So as I noted, I’d try to cut out the steps in your workflow where problems can creep in. For me that would be to eliminate the use of 3rd party software, and do research on the settings that other 5dMkIII users employ to achieve success.
Essentially, look back at your thread title. It’s a public claim that’s is belied by plenty of evidence. And therefore, it kinda paints you as someone who simply got frustrated and made a presumption.
When you figure out what actually happened, be sure to drop back and let us know so others coming here can benefit from your experiences.
Good luck.
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Doesn’t the 5D mkIII have all I-frame recording?
Perhaps that’s what is triggering the errors.
Has anyone contacted plural eyes about this? I’m sure they would want to know.
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Bill,
You obviously didn’t read the last sentence of my original post. “Has anyone else experienced this?”. Obviously I’m posting the problem to find out whether or not is a common problem or my own after not coming up with anything in a search.
Since it is a relatively new software, it is possible that not many people have done a Plural Eyes multicam project with 5d MarkIII footage. So far it doesn’t appear that anyone who’s responded so far has. But thank you for editing the subject for those who don’t want to read the post, which includes yourself.
Final Cut X will NOT sync a 2 hour complex source with varying levels of audio the way plural eyes will (if at all most times) There is no magic to it. It either does it or it doesn’t. I know how to use multi cam in X. I’ve done dozens of mulicam projects (usually 6 cam dlsr’s and go pro). If it even came close to the quality of PE then they wouldn’t have a market, and I wouldn’t have paid the money for it. And X will NOT play long multicam clips on the event side with the transport. Period. Those are the longform problems that I have with it. It still is the best thing for what I’m doing. And I’m using it. I’ve used X for over a year exclusively with 100% multicam projects on 4 different systems all using the latest iMacs. I know what I’m talking about.
Of course that was just a sidebar. Wasn’t even part of my original problem. I know how to work around the shortcomings. If you haven’t used canon 5d Mark III footage from Plural Eyes, then you can’t really help here, because that is my problem. Syncing in X is not a solution. It doesn’t work for me and it wouldn’t work for you given the same footage.
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[David Powell] “You obviously didn’t read the last sentence of my original post”
Sigh. Or I did.
Fact. Canon reported sales of around 8 million plus DSLRS in 2012. So i’t going to be hard to convince me that the theres a users sample size problem with experiential data for the Mkiii.
That implies that the reason you can’t FIND lots of reports of problems is that there aren’t many.
Also, consider that since the Mkiii has a 30 minute recording limit (in the traditional 12 min tarrif addressing blocks) that means you’re having to already working with stitched files.
Have you considered that perhaps PluraEyes, when it seeks to stitch these together is introducing anomalies? Plural Eyes is a fine product, but it’s NOT coming out of a huge company. And that MAY mean it simply can’t react to the massive changes that happen when a company like Canon (with truly global sales) has to figure out how to make stuff that’s been crippled by tarrif requirements work for what it wasn’t originally designed to do?
What you want is do appears to be able to take H264 compressed chunks which are bandwidth limited to 100Mbps – dump then out to another program – have IT stitch them together with audio files (which may or may not have properly configured sample rate or encoding specs) and then you want FCP-X to “see” those resulting files (whatever they actually are) as something that X can work with flawlessly..
All that instead of just letting X work with the original files to do the stitching and audio conforming.
And you’re having trouble.
Why am I not surprised?
Good luck with whatever you end up doing. I stand by the thought that there are of plenty of 5dMkiii shooters out there who are doing precisely what you want to do – and if you can’t scare up a tsunami of similar problems via a google search – I’m just suggesting that maybe that’s because they ‘re NOT having the same trouble as you. It’s not like the MkIII has just been out weeks It’s been out many, many months. As has PluralEyes.
But do what you like.
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If Plural Eyes is the problem, then thats what I came to find out! Obviously! Hence why I’m trying to find out if any of these millions of other users might have ran into the problem. Thus far, noone has replied with “I use PE with Canon 5d MarkIII all the time and it works swimmingly.”
I didn’t come here to prove a point. I came to find a solution to a problem. Apparently there isn’t anyone thus far who has said one way or another. So the best solution is the one I did which was pretranscode to prores. It’s working perfectly and its far faster than trying to sync all this footage in final cut X, but still far slower than my usual workflow which is dump in PE, sync in seconds and send to X, which up to using footage from this particular camera has worked flawlessly (for over a year now).
The goal is to find out where the problem lies not make a statement about Canon footage, Apple or PE.
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