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burn dvd in iDVD for 7 second clip-16:9 aspect is ok but burn same 8 min sequence 16:9 is not right
When I burn a dvd in iDVD for a 7 second test clip that was exported/compressed out of FC Pro via Quick time conversion, the-16:9 aspect ratio of the clip looks the way it should on my set top dvd player in both the 4:3 Letterbox and 16:9 settings that I have available on that DVD player.
BUT when i leave all the settings for both the export from FC, and in the iDVD project EXACTLY the same, that same full 8 MINUTE sequence that I burned on a DVD in iDVD is not playing correctly on the Lerrterbox setting and 16:9 setting on my DVD player. It only looks one way when played on my DVD player, (using both the letterbox and the 16:9 settings on the DVD player), and not the 2 different ways that it should look, like the 7 second clip looked on it’s own DVD. These are burned on separate DVDs and EVERYTHING is the same as far as my settings- FC export settings, FC sequence settings and iDVD project settings. What gives?? really strange.
And, when I play both dvds on several different computers, that same wierd thing holds true also. -
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And you’re using iDVD instead of Compressor and DVDSP for exactly what reason?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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I only have iDVD to burn DVDs, that’s all. Dont have DVDSP? Also I’m using quick time conversion to export the sequence out from FC Pro 4.5. I dont have time to learn compressor right now. BUT, the problem is in iDVD because as I said the little 7 second burned in iDVD are correct when i play them on my set top dvd player. It is the 8 minute sequence (that the 7 sec clip was taken from), that presents the problem when burned in iDVD. It doesn’t give the 2 different ‘looks’ like the 7 second clip does when played on the set top DVD player when I change the settings back and forth between 16:9 and 4:3 letterbox on the set top player.
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Mark,
FCP version 4.5 is now eight years out of date and most pros here have long since forgotten its eccentricities and behaviors with iDVD. So, it might be difficult to get an answer to your question.
[mark duke] “I dont have time to learn compressor right now.”
It may look difficult, but it’s not, and taking the time to learn it is probably a better use of time than fixing issues with ancient applications that seem to have you stumped. There are 5-minute tutorials all over YouTube that will bring you right up to speed.
In any case, I’m sorry I couldn’t help you, and I do hope someone else can.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums. Formerly host of the Apple Final Cut Basics, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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Is there a check box you may have missed, regarding automatic aspect ratio? No matter how much you protest that all settings are the same, Occam’s Razor says they are not. Is your blank *media* the same, for example? (dual-layer vs. single?) Is the workflow step-by-step the same? Did you take the shorter setup that worked right, copy it to another name, and re-use it for the longer version? Did you try resetting prefs?
I use Compressor, without ever “learning” it. The interface may look intimidating, but anybody can pull down the menu and pick a plainly labeled preset and drag it to the operations bar. This takes literally five minutes to “learn”. Don’t let it scare you.
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Thanks David, The older Final cut >export > using Quick time conversion’ has the same settings as on the newer FC. I set ‘size’ at 720×480 NTSC 16:9 and did not check letterbox for either the short clip OR the long clip. And for ‘settings’ I used ‘Best’ quality; 16:9 progressive, not interlaced. I really am very short for time and need to get an order out for DVD replication. It takes me too long to figure out compressor.
AND i dont need to change the export method from FC because the same export method gives me the same results, ie they both look like they should, but they give me different results in iDVD.
I think the issue is with iDVD because, both the short 7 second QT file and the 8 min QT file that i put into iDVD are EXACTLY the same in every respect of their export settings in FC. And everything is set EXACTLY the same in iDVD. There are not many settings in iDVD anyway. There is just 16:9; Professional Quality; and NTSC. So something is wrong with iDVD not burning the same. -
[mark duke] “I really am very short for time and need to get an order out for DVD replication.”
I know one thing… It’ll certainly be a whole lot more time-consuming and expensive for you if you wind up with 1000 coasters.
I wish you the best…
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums. Formerly host of the Apple Final Cut Basics, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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EVERYTHING is exactly the same. No copying of anything. Blank media is the same. And using Compressor or not shouldn’t be an issue because there is nothing wrong with exporting from FC with Quick Time Conversion. I dont need to change the export method from FC because the same export for both clips gives me the same results, ie they both look like they should, but, they give me different results when the DVD is burned in iDVD.
Please note that both clips are from the exact same sequence in FC, just the in-out points on the timeline are different: one is only 7 seconds long, the other is 8 minutes.
In FC export via QT Conversion, I set ‘size’ at 720×480 NTSC 16:9 and did not check letterbox for either the short clip OR the long clip. And for ‘settings’ I used ‘Best’ quality; 16:9 progressive, not interlaced.
I think the issue is with iDVD because, both the short 7 second QT file and the 8 min QT file that i put into iDVD are EXACTLY the same in every respect of their export settings in FC. And everything is set EXACTLY the same in iDVD. There are not many settings in iDVD anyway. There is just 16:9; Professional Quality; and NTSC. So something is wrong with iDVD not burning the same.
I did check iDVD preferences. -
Not remembering much about how FCP 4.5 flips out, I would guess Quicktime Conversion is the culprit if everything remains the same otherwise. It seems like the wild card.
I think exporting your timeline as a Quicktime Movie (not QT Conversion) and sending it to Compressor is a step you need to take. At least it would verify if it’s FCP or iDVD giving you the problem. I never learned Compressor either, it’s pretty intuitive when you start clicking around.
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Thank you. Maybe I wasn’t as clear as I could’ve been in my orig post. When I ONLY burned a DVD of MANY 7 second clips in iDVD, all of them looked as they should according to how they were exported in Quicktime conversion. BUT, when I burned the full 8 minute clip, that one of the 7 second clips was clipped out from,( ie. both the 8 min and the 7 sec clip it was taken from, had exactly the same export settings in QT conversion, and they are the same sequence indeed), the 8 minute clip DID NOT burn as the correct look and shape it should have. And even when i added the 7 second clip along with the 8 min clip on the same DVD burn, the 7 sec clip looked as it should, but the 8min clip did not. SO, I don’t possible see how QT conversion export could be the problem. Both short and long clips look as they should in Quick time.
On this sequence I’m talking about, all I did was change the in/out points on the timeline- one comprised an 8 minute length, and the other in/out point comprised a 7 second version. I exported them out of FC via QT conversion with EXACTLY the same settings. -
NOTE* This post has an additional part at the end. Thank you. Maybe I wasn’t as clear as I could’ve been in my orig post. When I ONLY burned a DVD of MANY 7 second clips in iDVD, all of them looked as they should according to how they were exported in Quicktime conversion. BUT, when I burned the full 8 minute clip, that one of the 7 second clips was clipped out from,( ie. both the 8 min and the 7 sec clip it was taken from, had exactly the same export settings in QT conversion, and they are the same sequence indeed), the 8 minute clip DID NOT burn as the correct look and shape it should have. And even when i added the 7 second clip along with the 8 min clip on the same DVD burn, the 7 sec clip looked as it should, but the 8min clip did not. SO, I don’t possible see how QT conversion export could be the problem. Both short and long clips look as they should in Quick time.
On this sequence I’m talking about, all I did was change the in/out points on the timeline- one comprised an 8 minute length, and the other in/out point comprised a 7 second version. I exported them out of FC via QT conversion with EXACTLY the same settings.
And an additional thought. I fooled around with compressor and I hate it and can’t get it to work. I think my old version of Compressor is missing some part. And with everything I’ve done correctly in exporting everything in QT conversion, I really can’t see how QT conversion is the problem.
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