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  • Mathieu Ghekiere

    September 25, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    So after loosing markers on my timeline for the second time, I finally know where the bug is, and I could reproduce it, and I also made a screen recording. I filled in feedback to Apple, but I also wanted to post it here, to make people aware of the issue and hopefully not experiencing the same.
    If you ever had an edit session with a client where you depended on the information you put in your markers, it can cost you a lot of time, money and energy if you loose all your markers…
    So!

    The problem: Dissapearing Markers on the Primary Storyline

    Details:

    Although we like the benefits of the magnetic timeline, for certain complex edits we do, we have to do them as connected clips, to avoid magnetism. We have to work with layers anyhow, but in those edits we only leave gaps in the primary storyline for specific editing reasons.

    Anyhow, we have a primary storyline full of gap clips (not one big long gap clip, but they are cut in multiple clips). We have connected clips on all of those.
    We do put our markers with to do’s etc on the primary storyline.

    When you put a dissolve between 2 connected clips, it automatically becomes a connected storyline, you cannot change this.
    But here comes the bug: if you select a clip in the connected storyline, and do the shortcut LIFT FROM STORYLINE, suddenly ALL your markers dissapear on the primary storyline, and it also made one big clip of all the different gap clips on the primary storyline (which explains the markers dissapearing as they were connected to those gap clips).

    Pretty serious bug, and easily reproducable.
    Here is a link to a screen recording showing the bug in action:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x5lswgt197bggt/BUG_MARKERS_FCPX_CROP%20-%20Broadband.m4v

  • Loren Risker

    September 25, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Great find! Thanks for sharing.

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    OutOfFocus.TV – Original series, music videos, mini-docs.

  • Charlie Austin

    September 25, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    [Mathieu Ghekiere] “Pretty serious bug, and easily reproducable. “

    Honestly, i don’t think its a bug… it’s a feature. For your workflow, yes, it’s bad. For me, I’f I’ve lifted clips from a storyline, I want all the gap clips to reunite.

    If I need fixed markers throughout a cut, since ya can’t have markers in the timecode/navigation bar, my solution was to make a long, silent audio clip. Add it to the timeline first so it “sticks” to the primary, and make sure it begins, and is connected, to the first frame of your timeline. Give it a unique role, uncheck that role in the index to disable it, and also minimize it using the button in it’s Role in the index. Put your “sequence markers” on this clip. Voila! Markers that don’t move, unless you want them to.

    If you think you may want to cut the marker clip to pull it up, say if you cut out a section but want your markers beyond the cut to stay in sync… create a secondary containing the marker clip and you chop it and pull it up with everything else, but the secondary will alway be connected to first frame so it won’t move. The markers will reference timeline position unless you cut the marker clip within the secondary and move it manually.

    It’s actually way better than “sequence markers” from the old FCP, since they stayed put no matter where you moved the clips underneath them that the markers may have referred to. 🙂

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    ~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
    ~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

  • Ronny Courtens

    September 25, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    I agree with Charlie.

    You must understand that gaps are NOT clips and you should not work with gaps like you work with clips. Gaps are only useful when they are placed between clips. Sliced-up gaps (without any clips between them) don’t have any use and they will always be joined by FCPX whenever it can. So you never should put markers on top of a sliced-up gap.

    If you want to edit without using the Primary Storyline but you still want to put markers on it, just put a slug generator or an adjustment layer in the Primary. This will act as a regular clip to which your secondaries and CCs are attached and above which you can add markers.

    – Ronny

  • Loren Risker

    September 25, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    I agree that the workflow is questionable, but auto-deleting markers for any reason isn’t acceptable.

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    OutOfFocus.TV – Original series, music videos, mini-docs.

  • Charlie Austin

    September 25, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    [Loren Risker] “but auto-deleting markers for any reason isn’t acceptable.”

    i agree with that, but when you are placing markers on something that, really, is not a clip at all, it makes sense. Gap is essentially a visual representation of nothing. If you want to use the primary only as a giant marker or scene separation reference then, as Ronny points out, you need to put a clip or something into it. Gap is not a clip – and, all due respect to the OP, this is not a bug.

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    ~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
    ~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

  • James Cude

    September 25, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Yeah I could see why you’d do it this way but as a workflow it’s not really the norm. If you *had* to do it this way- use a disabled clip instead of gap. That way your markers will be preserved but functionally it’s going to look the same as the gap you’re doing.

    Also I think it would make way more sense to nest these compositions into Compound Clips instead of trying to force things into place with gaps all over the place.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    September 26, 2013 at 2:34 am

    The certainly feels like it could be fixed by Apple if they wanted to. It is advantageous to have multiple gap clips in the primary sometimes.

    My bigger question is why not use the primary?

    Perhaps, put the audio in it?

  • James Ewart

    September 26, 2013 at 3:42 am

    “Although we like the benefits of the magnetic timeline, for certain complex edits we do, we have to do them as connected clips, to avoid magnetism. We have to work with layers anyhow, but in those edits we only leave gaps in the primary storyline for specific editing reasons”

    Why? What are those reasons please?

    Am I correct in observing that you have just gaps on your primary storyline?

    If so it looks a little to me like you may be trying to bypass the magnetism and edit in FCPX as if it were 7.

    Is that the case?

  • Mathieu Ghekiere

    September 26, 2013 at 8:55 am

    *double post

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