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Broadcast quality
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[Brandon Carter] “Most of my footage is being shot with a Sony DSR 390L with Fujinon lens. I am using mini dv tape as I have been told there is no difference in quality between mini and full size”
If your camera can shoot in DVCAM mode, then yes, there is a difference between shooting in DV with MiniDV tapes and DVCAM Mode using actual DVCAM tapes. DVCAM is cleaner. Still not as clean as BetaSP or DigiBeta to begin with but cleaner.
Heck I would invest in an HDV camera, shoot with that, capture to ProRes, edit in HD and then downconvert to SD for delivery. Then you have an HD show in the can for future use AND you’ll get incredibly clean SD masters.
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[Brandon Carter] “f my Sony is not even broadcast quality then what format do you recommend? My dubbing company required that I record my show to mini dv for them to dub to beta sp.”
Sony Z1U is the bare minimum camera I would recommend for broadcast.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[walter biscardi] “If your camera can shoot in DVCAM mode, then yes, there is a difference between shooting in DV with MiniDV tapes and DVCAM Mode using actual DVCAM tapes. DVCAM is cleaner. Still not as clean as BetaSP or DigiBeta to begin with but cleaner. “
Can you explain how DVCAM would be cleaner than min DV coming from the same camera? I thought the only difference was the speed at which the tape transport ran. If it’s digital its just 1 and 0’s. DVCAM would be less prone to drop outs, but wouldn’t the picture quality be the same coming from the same camera?
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[Jeremy Doyle] “Can you explain how DVCAM would be cleaner than min DV coming from the same camera? “
The tape transport runs faster, spreads the information across more tape, slightly less compression, slightly better color.
Heck recording to a DigiBeta from the output of that same camera will look light years better than recording to DV or DVCAM. The camera itself is not the main culprit, it’s the recording format.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[walter biscardi] “The tape transport runs faster, spreads the information across more tape, slightly less compression, slightly better color. “
The compression schemes are the exact same. I’m not sure where you’re getting that info from. If you go by transport faster, spreads info across more tape, I’d have to say the Digital 8 should be the king.
DV, DVCAM, DVCPRO, and Digital 8 are all 5:1 DVC-format DCT, intra-frame; 25 Mbps video data rate.
Maybe you’ve been working in HD land so long, you’re losing touch with SD 😉
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Heck recording to a DigiBeta from the output of that same camera will look light years better than recording to DV or DVCAM. The camera itself is not the main culprit, it’s the recording format.
so absolutly true, painfull but true.
for the already shot part’s as mentioned earlier
get your HQ Quicktime to someone with good IO and the final deck.
for the part that has to be shot.
no budget
take good care of lighting your set and try to keep quality of what’s in front of the lens
in best quality to compensate for the lower recording quality.
good budget.
still
take good care of lighting your set and try to keep quality of what’s in front of the lens
and enjoy the quality in postgreet
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[Jeremy Doyle] “The compression schemes are the exact same.”
When you put the exact same image side by side, shot in DV Format and DVCAM format, the DVCAM format will always be cleaner. That’s where I’m getting the information from. Tests we have done here and from the productions that have through this facility.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author.
Credits include multiple Emmy, Telly, Aurora and Peabody Awards.
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I forgot also to mention that all the DV formats are also 4:1:1 color space. Now Digi Beta and DVCPRO50 on the other hand are both 4:2:2 color space with Digi Beta being 2.5:1 compression and DVCPRO50 being 3.3:1 compression. Both are 50Mbit compared to DV’s 25Mbit.
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[walter biscardi] “When you put the exact same image side by side, shot in DV Format and DVCAM format, the DVCAM format will always be cleaner. That’s where I’m getting the information from. Tests we have done here and from the productions that have through this facility. “
Well I’m certainly not going to dig in the closet and pull out camera’s we haven’t used since 2005 to test what is a dead format to us. But there is absolutely no way DVCAM should be cleaner because it uses the exact same compression scheme as mini dv, dvcpro, and digital 8. Less prone to drop out because it’s spread out across more of the tape? Yes. But less compression and more color info. No.
I’d love to see it on scopes, but it’s pretty much a moot point on something I haven’t used for acquisition in years.
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Ok…so how should I have FCP setup for ProRes 422? What settings need to be adjusted? I am stuck with the footage I already have and HD cam is not in the immediate future, so I need to maximize what I have.
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