Bought new recomended graphic card from sony’s site, now vegas is slower then ever why?

[Steve Rhoden]

Most regrettably, you are not missing anything Shawn, Vegas 11
and GPU Just doesnt play well with each other for most users.
I wish i had a solution for you. My solution is simply using
Vegas 10 with none of the whole GPU Jumbo, and i am very happy.

I hate fussing over the technical stuff when i should be fussing
over creating great media content for clients and having an income.
I could go in a lot of technicalities as to why you are having issues,
but sadly that wont help you, Temporarily disable all GPU options and
features and let me know how Vegas performs?

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Mark Krueger]

I did the same thing you did and invested in that same video card only to experience many of the problems you write about. I keep Vegas 10 on my desktop, I use Vegas 11 with all the accelerators turned off for most of my work and I haven’t had many problems.
It is very disappointing that Sony cannot get this right. GPU acceleration is used in other editing software very efficiently. I am committed to Vegas and can only hope they figure out what the problem is with the next update. I like most of us have contacted them about the problem, but they offer no real solutions.

[Stephen Mann]

[b]”for most users”[/b]

Most users aren’t on the forums to not complain.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com

[Stephen Mann]

You still have remnants of the AVI drivers in your system.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com

[Dave Haynie]

Not sure whats up here. I run an AMD 1090T PC (6 core, 3.2GHz) which is a bit slower than the i7-2600K, so I’m likely to see more improvement with a GPU.

There’s some overhead to offloading a bit of work to the GPU, or pretty much any loosely-coupled multiprocessing situation like this. I’m surprised it’s necessarily slower than with the GPU acceleration disabled, but it’s understandable you might not get as much of an improvement.

When I upgraded to Vegas 11 last fall, I bought both the nVidia GeForce GTX570 and the AMD/ATi Radeon HD6970… I was looking for acceleration per dollar, nothing more. These are the exact cards.

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclocked-Lifetime-Warranty-012-P3-1573-AR/dp/B004SMUT70/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1335365957&sr=8-20
https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-DL-DVI-I-SL-DVI-D-PCI-Express-100311-2SR/dp/B004PFVNIY/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1335366017&sr=1-4

I actually found that the GTX570 underperformed vs. the AMD on every benchmark I tried… not what I expected from Sony’s info. More to the point, the GTX570 didn’t really help improve things much on my system at all during editing. Not that the HD6970 always did, either — plain playback of a single video track still runs realtime at full quality, but the GPU isn’t helping a great deal here.

The main advantage of the GPU on playback seems to be accelerating various plug-ins and effects, complex projects. The published Vegas “benchmark” project, for example, ran extremely well in Vegas 11 with the HD6970, maybe a little bit better with the GTX570.

At the time, I was doing a bunch of very complex animations, and the HD6970 helped quite a bit more here, too.

For both GPUs, there’s overhead visible when using them. As GPU activity increases, CPU activity will decrease — that’s the CPU waiting on various work offloaded to the GPU to complete. In short, it makes sense, and it’s not a bad thing if you have other stuff going on during a render.

The end result isn’t day and night, but I’m pretty happy with the boost given by the HD6970 for $300… considerably less than it would cost to upgrade to a faster main PC. If I already had that faster main PC, I’m not sure I’d see enough of an improvement to justify the GPU. And it’s highly dependent on what you’re doing with it.

As for the slow-down, no explanation there… it shouldn’t run slower. That sounds like a potential problem with that version of the nVidia driver. Not having used the nVidia stuff in awhile, I can’t really comment… I’d check around the forums, here and on Sony’s site. You can’t be the first one to encounter this issues.

-Dave

[Steve Rhoden]

I make reference to a wider group of users than those using
just this forum Stephen. Vegas GPU Architecture needs polishing.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Shawn Bossick]

Thank you all for commenting, quickly I’ve been on vegas for 8 years love it!! my system, I would think would be better, I’m always upgrading but with no real improvement, so I’m bummed & confused here! I need to have at least 1 track with no effects that does not skip frames.

Guys my old card, the Radeon HD 4670 I bought 3 years ago worked better than the GTX 570 I want to make sure I’ve got this right! there’s nothing you have to do than put the new card in & install the drivers then go into your video preference tab & engage the GPU option 3 steps there is that it?

& Steve when you say temporarily turn off GPU does that mean only 1 step go into video preference dialog box & select option none verses GPU? is there anything you have to change on the GTX settings?

Dave I’m thinking by what you wrote to exchange the GTX 570 for the Radeon HD 6970 is that what you would recommend?

Thanks ALL!!

[Lance Bachelder]

Is your media on its own hard drive? What type of media is it? Vegas does really well with XDCAM and XDCAM 422, sadly not so good with other codecs and it’s gotten worse in 11 instead of better.

Did you do complete uninstall of ATI drivers? There is some good news – your new card will run CS6 with insane real-time performance. I’ve stacked up to 6 effects on a 1080p clip with no slow down!

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California

[Dave Haynie]

Shawn-

That’s what I did, and I’d do it again in a heartbeat, so sure. The one caveat is “other software”. Some GPU-accelerated software out there is CUDA-only, not OpenCL. So it won’t get any help from the AMD GPUs, you need a nVidia. None of that is critical (though I do use Neat Video, and that’s one of those plug-ins that’s currently CUDA-only), but something to be aware of.

A few of the posts I did based on my benchmarking last fall when I had both cards:
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/24/938278
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/24/938615
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/24/939139
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/24/940373

Some of the Main Concept issues seem to have been fixed in the more recent Vegas 11 releases. I also ran into a few non-Vegas benchmarks that completely crashed or hung up on the nVidia at the time. I have to believe those were driver related, and are most likely fixed by now. The GPU stuff is dependent on drivers in a way that nothing we’re really used to in the A/V world has been, other than maybe audio latency. This is commonplace in the gaming world, but it will take some getting used to.

-Dave

[Shawn Bossick]

Lance I’m running AVCHD .Mts files straight from my camera into Vegas with no conversion, & I’ve tried both 3.0 external hard drives & sata 7200 rpm internal hard drives.
Yes I know that solid state would be better, BUT AGAIN, my old crappy card with no GPU ran better, WHY?

So I returned the GTX 570 & got the Radeon 6950 as they did not have the 6970 dave, guess what? NO LUCK! what the hell! I just spent 2 full days trying 2 different cards that Sony said runs better because of GPU acceleration, my old Radeon 4670 had none, Now my system is not really functional, plain & simple this is not complaining it’s facts.

So now I have bought a solid state drive for my operating system & I’m gonna AGAIN wipe the slate clean, EVERYTHING being reloaded from scratch WHY? cause I don’t know what else to do? is there any settings you have to tweak on these cards? or is it just put the card in update the drivers & go into video preferences tab & turn on GPU? is that it? is there anything else that needs to be done?

GPU with AVCHD raw Mts files GOOD or BAD what works?