Bought new recomended graphic card from sony’s site, now vegas is slower then ever why?

[Nigel O’neill]

Shawn, like you, I was disappointed with the GPU acceleration of my GTX570. I edit multi-cam projects and was hoping to have them fly, but alas, that is not to be. I have a i7-970 and it barely copes on preview set to good.

I have heard that the 2nd generation i5 and i7 CPU’s have built-in graphics acceleration, but I cannot confirm that they will improve previewing vastly myself.

My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 10e (x32/x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6

[Mark Barton]

Try setting your properties to match the source video and turn off scaling on the preview window. I’m running the EVGA GTX 570HD and the preview is keeping up with 1920x1080x32,59.940 with preview set at Best Full. I added a Sony GPU Sepia plugin. I also get good performance at Full Auto too.

I’m running 301.24 NVidia drivers released April 9th 2012.

FYI…I get much worse performance with the default scaling feature and setting it to preview quality.

[Shawn Bossick]

Mark what kind of files are you working with?

Maybe I’m not asking the right question here, my old graphic card the Radeon 4670 had no GPU capability, I was able to edit & work in HD with .mts files uncompressed AVCHD, I upgraded my operating system windows 7 64 bit, & had it installed on a FAST solid state hard drive, I upgraded my graphic card to a card that has GPU acceleration the Radeon 6950, this new card SHOULD be far better then my old card, however now vegas stutters, drops frames & I cannot get 1 track to playback smoothly
WHAT HAPPENED? how can I resolve this? this is also the second card I have put into the system in the last few days, the first card I tried was the GTX 570, when it skipped like crazy I thought maybe I bought the wrong card so I bought the Radeon, but it skips too

Any suggestions? what functions should I be looking at, there must be something I am doing wrong!

Thanks all!!

[Shawn Bossick]

Stephen, I have a new operating system now, so everything is new on it, I don’t know what to do? Vegas is not running smooth even on 1 track, I have tried turning off the GPU within Vegas, by going into preferences/ video tab then selecting none for GPU acceleration, but nothing changes? are there settings I need to look at within the Radeon 6950 card, turn something on or off, adjust something? this new Radeon HD 6950 has to be better then my old Radeon HD 4670?

any suggestions would be MUCH appreciated!!

[Stephen Mann]

[Shawn Bossick] ” are there settings I need to look at within the Radeon 6950 card, turn something on or off, adjust something? this new Radeon HD 6950 has to be better then my old Radeon HD 4670?”

?? Your first post said that you were running the NVIDIA Geforce GTX 570 GPU.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com

[Mikhail Petrushin]

I have AMD 6850 video card with Phenom 840 CPU and 8 GB DDR3 RAM. My HDDs are not SSD (just typical 7200 and 5400 RPM drives). I use Vegas Pro 11 64bit (build 595). You may notice that my system is worse then yours.

However, I do _not_ have any frame drops in preview (Best | Full) when I am working with 1080-50p footage (m2ts files from Panasonic TM700 camcorder).
But I have frame drops on transitions as well as if I add some effects on video.

So for me it looks like you have a problems system/Vegas.
I would recommend you to reinstall motherboard chipset driver (the latest one 11.1.0.1006 as I know), video driver (the latest one — 12.4) and Vegas itself (build 594/595 are the latest atm). It’s a good idea to fully remove old drivers first, re-boot your system and then install the new drivers.

P.S. Do you have any anti-virus software installed? Try to disable it for a while during tests.

[Mark Barton]

I tried to paste a screenshot of the properties. AVCHD from a Panasonic TM900 1920x1080x32, 60fps progressive.

I am using SATA 2 drives, nothing too fast, but I try to have the source on one drive and render to another.

Operating System
Platform: Windows 7
Version: 6.01.7601 (Service Pack 1)
Language: English
System locale: English
User locale: English

Processor
Class: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 970 @ 3.20GHz
Identifier: GenuineIntel
Number of processors: 12
MMX available: Yes
SSE available: Yes
SSE2 available: Yes
SSE3 available: Yes
SSSE3 available: Yes
SSE4.1 available: Yes
SSE4.2 available: Yes

Display
Primary: 1920x1080x32

Memory
Physical memory: 12,279.1 MB
Paging memory available: 12,277.3 MB

It could be related to codecs installed on your system. I googled that a while ago when things stopped working and it turned out it was related to uninstalling Adobe Photoshop Elements 8.0 when I had decided to just use Gimp and Picassa instead. Adobe did not remove the registry entries properly, so the system still was referencing a codec that Adobe installed, but removed. By reinstalling Adobe again, things started working again. I used graphstudio and CodecTweakTool to get additional information to find out that Adobe was the culprit in that case. I built my system speced to the NVidia card, so I have a 800W gold standard power supply to handle the current that card needs and followed many of the recommendations from the VideoGuys.com DIY section as to motherboards that work well with the i7-970 processor. Good luck and if there is anything I can help test with, I would be happy to try and post the results.

In the above screenshot, you can see I set Dynamic RAM Preview = 200MB and have 16 threads. Search this forum showed that setting the RAM too high would impact the preview, even if you have 24GB of RAM available. I also seem to get better results with BEST rather than Preview quality and I can only guess that maybe BEST utilizes the GPU.

[Dave Haynie]

I think you need a little sanity checking first. Your i7 system should be noticably faster than my AMD 1090T system. And as I think it’s been repeatedly pointed out, you don’t get much if any GPU acceleration just playing a single video track.

Let’s see here. I have Vegas 11 open now, I’m doing nothing but playing a single track, 1080/24p straight out of my HMC40, in Best/Full mode. It’s playing perfectly, GPU acceleration enabled. I see 25% use of the GPU, 30-40% CPU use. Turn off the GPU, restart Vegas, I’m still seeing perfectly full quality playback, but the CPU use is now bouncing between 40-60%. This is Vegas 11/595, the AMD HD6970 GPU, witg Driver 8.911.0.0 (10/25/2011… probably a bit out of date, but it works).

Now, if you’re playing video in an accelerated player on the desktop, the GPU makes a much more dramatic difference. That’s because these players work with Microsoft’s DXVA 2.0 video acceleration APIs, which are apparently only good for playback. I can easily play back 6+ full HD tracks without glitching using players, which it’s pretty obvious that the CPU alone won’t do two of them.

If Vegas isn’t preforming at least as well on an i7 system, something is seriously screwed up, regardless of the GPU. Make sure you have enough RAM (I have 16GB, but 8GB is plenty), I’m running 64-bit Windows 7, fully up-to-date with patches. 64-bit is a bonus for any kind of video work, and I’d claim mandatory for HD, and for a GPU card that’s got 2GB of RAM to map. Don’t put too much RAM in the Vegas preview buffer unless you’re actually using it — Vegas can get weird with more than like 1-2GB there.

I have basic SATA HDDs… a 1.5TB C: drive from Seagate, and a WD “Green” 3TB drive as my main working drive. SSDs are nice for really quick boot times, but they have nothing really to do with runtime performance, and they’re usually horrible at write performance. At best, an SSD on C: shouldn’t be an issue, and it’s never an issue anywhere else for simple playback.

I guess it’s pretty obvious, but anyway, you should run Windows task manager and a GPU monitoring tool like GPUShark, which will let you kow at least where your CPU cycles are going. If you have nothing else running on your system, GPU or no GPU, you’re plenty fast enough to play back full HD video in full quality mode, raw track, no plug-ins, just as a baseline. When this isn’t happening, something else is going on in your system. If the system’s loaded down, see where the CPU is going. Is your GPU getting used at all when you have it enabled, or not? Are all cores on your PC active when running Vegas, or do you see only one getting used (you DO have Vegas set to use them all, right?).

Anyway, you definitely need some sanity checking here. While what you see may be in a weird way related to the GPU, I don’t think that’s the primary problem, when you’re seeing the same slowdown with acceleration disabled in Vegas, and you have a very fast PC.

-Dave

[Shawn Bossick]

Yes that is correct, when I upgraded my card I went & bought the NVIDIA GTX 570 once it was installed with the current new drivers, that’s when the system took a turn for the worst, instead of upgrading performance, it actually decreased performance drastically! this is why I’ve been flooding the forum here with questions? trying to figure out why? so after not being able to get my system to play back smoothly on one solo track I exchanged the GTX 570 for the Radeon HD 6950, thinking WELL let’s try this one, HOWEVER after putting in this new card, there was still the NEW ISSUE of all this skipping frames.

Stephen after both cards being FAR worse than my old card, I went out & bought a FAST solid state drive for my operating system, installed windows 7 64 bit onto it, & installed the latest version of Vegas, EVERYTHING now is up to date & brand new,
BUT NOTHING made a difference within Vegas, even though my over all rating of my computer jumped from a score of 5.6 to 7.1 Vegas is running poorer now that I have upgraded my graphic card, what is causing this DECREASE in performance? within Vegas? is it GPU features? I dont know? all I know is something is not right!
Selecting no GPU within Vegas, under the preference video tab, does not improve or make Vegas ANY DIFFERENT no change!

Again my old card had no GPU these 2 new cards do,
do you think there might be an issue with GPU & uncompressed AVCHD files, at this point it’s ALL I can think of? only 1 thing changed on my system when I first started this task, & that was simply up grade my graphics card, & I’ve done it now with 2 different cards both having the same results
DECREASE IN PERFORMANCE
in conclusion my old Radeon HD 4670 card that had no GPU functions on it ran WAY,WAY, better, the million dollar question is WHY? this card is at least 3 years old, small & tiny, so I must be doing something wrong! but what?

[Shawn Bossick]

Thanks Mark for all the detailed info, my old card the Radeon HD 4670 had no GPU functions, it ran ok, I’ve tried to new graphic cards, the NVIDIA GTX 570, & the RADEON 6950, both of these cards have GPU capabilities, both of these cards are now creating new skipping problems, dropping of frames, I even put a whole new operating system on a soilid state drive to help improve performance, BUT no luck.

In conclusion my old Radeon HD 4670 card that had no GPU on it ran much smoother then the 2 brand new way more powerful cards, WHY?
I must be over looking something, I just cant figure out WHAT?