Blu ray or AVCHD

[Heinz Melus]

John? Thank you.
I tried yr recommendation. Now it looks as good as the .avi file. The size is now 1 GB instead of 1,5 with the wrong setting and 4,6 for render to avi. Good for the gift.
My fault was, that I didn’t understand the process completely. I chose the DVD-PAL project template and believed, all is set. Why there was the half PAL 12500, I don’t know. Blend fields, I didn’t understand before. I read a lot now about interlacing to understand. I know now, that I have to check the properties of the media at the very beginning.
All my analog tapes went through ADC300 and Scenanalyzer. The output file is FileType2-DV avi for Vegas, Premiere etc. At what step are both fields blended? When I import the media?
Mainconcept 2: Program Stream PAL and DVD Arch. PAL template: is the differences the included Audio file in “Program”? Is that all?

The video was taken 1991 in a garage with a consumer camera. It is the assembly of a retro motorbike with its carriage. There is a lot of snow and not enough light in the video for better quality.
Is there a tool to improve (for consumer) or a webinar or other training video, dealing with this?

Heinz

[John Rofrano]

[heinz melus] ” At what step are both fields blended? When I import the media? “

No. The fields may never be blended. That setting is only used if you do something that requires the fields to be processed. For example, if you use Pan/Crop, the fields will need to be deinterlaced into a single frame, then cropped, then re-interlaced. If you never process the video in a way that requires deinterlacing, the video will never have the fields blended.

[heinz melus] “Mainconcept 2: Program Stream PAL and DVD Arch. PAL template: is the differences the included Audio file in “Program”? Is that all?”

Yes. DVD’s require separate streams and usually you’ll want AC-3 audio. This is why the DVD templates don’t include the audio. You should render the audio separately as Dolby Digital AC-3.

[heinz melus] ” There is a lot of snow and not enough light in the video for better quality. Is there a tool to improve (for consumer) or a webinar or other training video, dealing with this?”

Neat Video has a really good noise reduction plug-in and there is a consumer version for $49 USD.

~jr

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[Heinz Melus]

John

I stuck again. Would need your advice, if possible.
I shot .mts files, 1920×1080, interlaced, AVC streams. Then I imported, edited and rendered as Mainconcept2 Blu ray 50i, 25 fps video stream and ac3 pro for audio. I didn’t change anything in the default template.
As described, I used Vegas (11) Tools to prepare and burn the BR disk.
I just used the Prepare function and didn’t burn, as I would like to keep all relevant videos on my LT disk for replay on the LT with an HDMI cable connected or not to a big TV screen. I copied the .iso file to my VAIO LT to use it on the road. I downloaded Aiseesoft Blu ray Player in test mode. The player does not see my ISO file on the LT, copies from the workstation.
Is the Prepare function not enough to play it?
If not, what was wrong in the process?
Best regards

Heinz

[John Rofrano]

[heinz melus] “I copied the .iso file to my VAIO LT to use it on the road. I downloaded Aiseesoft Blu ray Player in test mode. The player does not see my ISO file on the LT, copies from the workstation. Is the Prepare function not enough to play it? If not, what was wrong in the process?”

An ISO file is a disc image. It is something an operating system needs to mount, and not something that a software blu-ray player would recognize. Mac OS X will immediately recognise these but Windows is too limited. You’ll need software like the free Virtual CloneDrive that can mount the ISO file in a virtual drive and make it look like a real disc with folders and files on your Windows computer. Then a software Blu-ray player like the one from Aiseesoft will see it and play it. Then you unmount it when you’re done.

So just to recap: ISO files are disc images that are meant to be burned to a disc. Mac OS X can mount these and use them like any other disc. PC Windows needs extra software like Virtual CloneDrive to do the same. Software players want to find a mounted disc and usually don’t read disc images.

~jr

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[Heinz Melus]

Thanks John, I didn’t know that it is an image.

I have a powerful Windows WS bought together with V11 and a fairly new VAIO LT. I have a lot of storage disks, where all the clips are captured from the last 25 years. Plus a MS Server 2008.
Mounting a virtual Disk on LT to run a player is not convenient as well as carrying several BR disks with a BR player with me.
Is there a process to keep it simpler for the VAIO? I could use the .iso file for a home video player and render a second file for the road? The only solution I found was to use the BR 50i, 25 fps variable bitrate Template as for .iso, but include the audio stream and uncheck separate streams. This .m2t file run on the MS Media Player with normal quality and sound. It’s flexible to manipulate, cause I have the mouse.
Is there a better solution?

Thank you in advance?
Best regards

Heinz

[John Rofrano]

[heinz melus] “Mounting a virtual Disk on LT to run a player is not convenient as well as carrying several BR disks with a BR player with me.”

I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. There are no “real” disks or players to carry with you. I was talking about virtual disks and virtual players. If you use the free virtual drive software that I pointed you to, you would have the ISO file on your hard drive and Blu-ray player software installed. When you double-click on the ISO file, the virtual disk software will make it look like there is a new drive on your laptop (perhaps an E: drive). Then you start your Blu-ray player software and it will find the virtual Blu-ray disc in the E: drive and start playing it. Everything is done in software. Nothing is physically carried around.

Does that make sense?

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com

[Heinz Melus]

Thanks John!
1. I installed VirtualConeDrive. I use the AiseeSoft BR Player on trial. It worked for short video. Are all BR player commercial or can you recommend a Freeware one? If not, which would be a good choice for this job?

2. I still have a lot of uncertainties with the process. I have a Sony CX550 camcorder. I shoot my footage with the highest resolution FX ( Max. 24Mbps 1,920 x 1,080 pixels/16:9, AVC, Virtual Bit rate). I believe it is interlaced. When I say match project settings it goes to FIELD ORDERS.
RENDER AS:
SONY AVC Template has no VBR, only FIXED. I’m not sure to get it in sync with audio??
MAINCONCEPT2: Blu Ray 50i, 25 Mps with a bitrate from 20 – 30 bps gives a higher file size than 17-24 bps. With both adjustments the Windows Explorer show a time length of 20:08 for a video of 24:11 minutes. Audio was excluded. File type Movie Clip (.m2v)
When I use the same template and just include the audio stream and uncheck separate streams I get a file with 24:11 time, called AVCHD (.m2t).
AUDIO for BR: what should I use as the separate stream? The Blu Ray Audio part of the template (video unchecked) or the stand alone template AC3 Pro?
Putting V&A into DVDA 6.0, both files show now 24:11 time?
Which process – parameter should I use?

3. Usually my rendered video are between 15 and 80 minutes. What would be a good virtual player?

The camcorder manual says the following: see bottom of message.

Video signal: MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 1920 x 1080/50i, 1440 x 1080/50i
Audio signal: Dolby Digital 2ch/5.1ch
The following list shows the bit-rate, pixels and aspect ratio of each recording mode (movie + audio, etc.).
High definition image quality (HD):
FX: Max. 24Mbps 1,920 x 1,080 pixels/16:9
FH: Approx. 17Mbps (average) 1,920 x 1,080 pixels/16:9
HQ: Approx. 9Mbps (average) 1,440 x 1,080 pixels/16:9
LP: Approx. 5Mbps (average) 1,440 x 1,080 pixels/16:9
Your camcorder uses the VBR (Variable Bit Rate) format to automatically adjust image quality to suit the recording scene. This technology causes fluctuations in the recording time of the media. Movies containing quickly moving and complex images are recorded at a higher bit-rate, and this reduces the overall recording time.

You cannot create an AVCHD disc from a movie recorded with [HD FX] mode of [REC MODE]. Save a movie recorded with [HD FX] mode onto Blu-ray discs or external storage devices).

Thanks for the discussion

Heinz

[John Rofrano]

[heinz melus] “Are all BR player commercial or can you recommend a Freeware one? If not, which would be a good choice for this job?”

I don’t know of any free ones (sorry). Usually they come with your Blu-ray burner. of course, if you don’t have a Blu-ray burner then you’ll need to buy player software. It looks like Aiseesoft Blu-ray Player supports playing ISO files so this might be a good program to buy. I’ve never used it so check out the trial first though.

[heinz melus] “AUDIO for BR: what should I use as the separate stream? The Blu Ray Audio part of the template (video unchecked) or the stand alone template AC3 Pro?”

Yes. The video templates for Blu-ray are video dreams only. You should render your audio as Dolby Digital AC-3 and give it the same name as the video (but with the .ac3 extension) DVD Architect will know that the video and audio go together.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com

[Heinz Melus]

Hi John,
I’m stuck again.
I bought on my trip a commercial DVD about St. Petersburg with 3,5 hours (DL) length and in 10 languages. It badly plays on my PC and on other devices. I tried to redo it in Vegas 11.
I couldn’t import the VTS files into Vegas, but could into the timeline. Properties show MPEG2 with AC3. Render proposed MXF. File gets 50 – 100GB in comparison with the 7,6 GB on the DVD.
I set up the multi channel audio and again only MXF – big file.
I saw a tutorial from Gary Rebholz with exactly what I want. 2 languages, means 2 audio tracks. Set up 2 buttons in DVDA to play the desired language with the video.
Gary’s import into DVDA shows 1 video track and 2 audio tracks in AC3. How can I get from Vegas 2 AC3 files. My video rendered in MPEG2 is 7 GB. A rendered mix of both AC3 tracks is 322 MB. With the mix I can’t assign the 2 buttons. How can I get 2 AC3 tracks?
The only idea I have is manually mute one audio track and render the other. Then delete the video and first audio track and render the second audio alone. The second file must then be a different name. Will this work in DVDA? This is not a smart solution.
Is there a better way to overcome this?

Heinz

[Heinz Melus]

John,

I’d like to add info.
The most strange thing is, that Windows shows 7,1GB for the MPEG 2 file and for the AC3 322 MB. When I drag them into DVDA 6.0, the parameter in the right bottom corner in DVDA shows 14,7 GB in a red field. How come?
Is this from the fact, that I dragged the VST files into the Vegas timeline? What else could it be?
I can’t add any additional track in the DVDA timeline. I believe it is from the fact, it shows 14,7 GB.

Heinz