Better camera than an HDV one

[John Rofrano]

[fabio mereghetti] “I mean, HDV uses 4:2:0, what gets more information than that?”

HDCAM SR and DVCProHD use 4:2:2 color sampling.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Fabio Mereghetti]

So, have to stay with HDV. (Had a quick look at some price…)

I’ve began to understand a bit and enjoy the power of Avisynth.
That means that in some cases, from an HDV source, I could end editing in Vegas, than apply some AVS filter, than finish back into Vegas and maybe than render to mpg2 for DVDs or MP4 for my media center. I have two brand new 1TB WD RE3 hard disks in a RAID 0 array so I tend to use AVI uncompressed as intermediate. The alternative is Cineform HD with Vegas 9e.
I haven’t delved deeply into colour space conversions yet (with video, at least) so let me ask you, John: should I have to be concerned about it due to my editing workflow or I shouldn’t care?

Thanks.

[John Rofrano]

[fabio mereghetti] “… so let me ask you, John: should I have to be concerned about it due to my editing workflow or I shouldn’t care?”

Well… you should care if you are loosing the information that you already have, like going from a 4:2:0 format to 4:1:1 which will give you 4:1:0. If you are really concerned, you might want to look into using a digital intermediary like CineForm (NeoScene $99USD). Cineform will upsample to 4:2:2 with good results and as long as you render to Cineform with each step in the workflow, there should be minimal loss and quite possibly no perceptible loss.

The bottom line in all this is, “can you see the difference?”. If you can’t… then you shouldn’t be concerned at all.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Danny Hays]

Take a look at the HDC-TM700. Under $800.00. AVCHD, no HDV compresion, 4.2.2 color pace and the best picture around. People are shelving their EX1s for this camera. YouTube and Vimeo the TM700 and check it out. Hope this helps, Danny Hays

[John Rofrano]

[Danny Hays] ” People are shelving their EX1s for this camera.”

Who is “shelving” their $6,300 XDCAM EX1 for this $750 consumer camcorder?

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Fabio Mereghetti]

Of course, being the amateur I am, I looked at the TM700 as a second (not “secondary”) camera primarily because the HV40 lens starts from something like 45mm (equivalent) and I would like to have a wider angle to play with. For some time I thought to buy a Bolex Aspheron wide angle adapter (700€) because I think it is the only one that has anything (sorry Canon and Raynox).
But, for almost the same money I could buy a second baby so I started looking and asking around.
I confess that I feel HDV as better than AVCHD but these feelings are not based on a real knowledge so I have to study the matter a little bit, first.
For the “unknoweldged” me, by now, a stronger compression ratio sounds as more info lost and I hear that editing with a single core (Athlon FX 53) is out of the question. I feel it as MP3 against a lossless codec.
As you can see, I started this thread asking about information loss while editing so, you can understand my point.
But John ended his post with… what you can see is what should count.

Unfortunately, John, my eyes are not so trustable…

By the way, do you know any HDV cam with a nice wideangle starting from less than 35mm?

Thanks.

[Danny Hays]

https://vimeo.com/11201589

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lMByIVeMA0

https://www.reviewgist.com/panasonic-hdc-tm700-vs-sony-pmw-ex1

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[Danny Hays]

Here’s a TM700 native clip.
https://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZR7BLIDA
Download it and look at the quality of this video. It is 1080 60p .mts so without a fast machine it may stutter, try Media player classic. but you can still see the quality. Plus Vegas Pro 9 and 10, with custom project settings and render settings to allow for the 60p can edit and render to 1080 or 720 60p .wmv .MP4 and .mov. Even though 1080 60p isn’t part of the BluRay spec yet, some Panasonic BR players will play them. Anyone with a better quality video shot with a 1080i HDV camera, please post it for us to see. I really dislike interlaced video, and can stay progressive throughout my workflow.
Danny Hays

[Danny Hays]

If the Megedownload says unavailable, try later as someone else is downloading it.

[Danny Hays]

OK, Hard to find free storage that doesn’t convert the files for free. try this Vimeo download. Scroll down to the right and you should be able to download the original 1920 x 1080 60p .mts at least for a while. Danny Hays

https://vimeo.com/17168997