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  • Best PNG or JPEG settings to use in Vegas, from Photoshop

    Posted by Scott Francis on April 27, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    OK,
    So, I am running into memory issues when rendering projects with a lot of pics involved. I need to keep the projects HDV M2T 1440x1080i (which is native to my sony cams). I understand that Vegas is NOT a photo editor, however I need to know the BEST settings to change my pics to in Photoshop to work in Vegas with the following needs:

    1) Project and render format – M2T 1440x1080i
    2) WILL be doing “Ken Burns” style keyframing with panning, cropping and track motion, so I need to still be able to “Zoom” into the pics without pixelation. (provided they START with good material)
    3) I currently use PNG so I can have no background/color in some of the pics. This also allows me to be able to let them “float” over other solid, photo and video backgrounds. JPEG cannot do this, is there a better format other than PNG for Vegas?
    4) I need to NOT deal with failed renders due to memory issues!!
    (I am using a Core 2 Quad 6700, 4 gig ram, XP pro 32bit and Vegas 9d..I am NOT able to upgrade at this time and I render to a different HD than the one source files are located on).
    5) Will be using “reduce interlace flicker” on photos

    My main issue is NOT megapixels, because most of the source photos are stock and not ones that I have taken, so I have no idea what the megapixels are.

    I need to know the best
    Size (WxH, pixels or inches)
    DPI (72, 100, 150, 300?)
    Best format (with NO background color)
    any other changes I can do in Photoshop.

    I REALLY appreciate detailed info on this as I am VERY tired of spending hours upon hours splitting and rendering projects.
    BTW I can do a two hour show with 6 HDV video tracks project with NO issue on this machine, but when more than a few pics are involved..it is a crap shoot!!!
    Thanks in advance for the help!!

    Scott Francis
    Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

    Bob Peterson replied 16 years, 3 months ago 8 Members · 18 Replies
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  • Mike Kujbida

    April 27, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Are your source files on your system drive or another drive?

    PNG is, IMO, the best image format to use.

    DPI numbers have no use in video as it’s the image size in pixels that matters.
    You can find out this information by right-clicking on it in the project Media folder and selecting Properties – General.
    Please do that and let us know what it says.

  • Steve Rhoden

    April 27, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I agree with mike, simply use png files in vegas, they handle
    that file format the best.

    Steve Rhoden
    (Cow Leader)
    Creative Arts Director and Film Maker.
    Project Samples at:
    http://www.youtube.com/hentys

  • Scott Francis

    April 27, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Source files are NOT on the system drive, there are 4 physical drives and source are on one and I render to another. I do NOT have sizes because there are like 200 pics….I an not looking to fix previous projects but looking forward to others as where I can “optimize” source picture files…thanks!

    Scott Francis
    Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

  • Theo Van laar

    April 27, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Since your ourput will be HDV 1080i, your pictures need to be at least 1440 x 1080 non-square pixels (PAR 1.33). Since pictures acontain square pixels, the size should be at least 1.33 x 1440 = 1916 pixels width and 1080 pixels high.

    Since you want to apply panning, multiply these svalues by 2. That is usually sufficient for the panning.

    And for pictures with transparancy, PNG is indeed OK. For the pictures not containing transparancy, you can just leave them as .jpg.

    Theo

  • Scott Francis

    April 27, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Thanks guys,so OK I understand that PNG is the best, and I aware that pixels are non-square in HDV…SOOOOOO

    My other questions are still in need of answers:

    DPI-if it is NOT important than what should I set it to in Photoshop? 72, 100, 150 etc..it will may file size an issue if I keep something 300 dpi can I change it to 72dpi?

    Pixels – if I am working with a picture that is already using square pixels, how do I make them rectangular? Or do I just adjust the height or width to the proper size for HDV (1080 or 1916 per Theo’s note)?

    Again I am getting memory errors on rendering based on using pics…so I want to get to the point were it is no longer an issue and basically take all my pics into photoshop make pixel and dpi adjustments and save them BEFORE I use them in Vegas…

    Again thanks so much for all your help!!

    Scott Francis
    Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

  • Bob Peterson

    April 27, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    You have not yet answered the basic question. How big are the photos? Give us an average or typical size in terms of number of pixels both horizontally and vertically. Photoshop will give you this information if you use Image => Size. Further, Photoshop will resize or crop the image using the number of pixels on the horizontal and vertical dimensions. PPI (not DPI) is irrelevant for images used in a video. The only consideration is the number of horizontal and vertical pixels. Vegas will not bog down if you use reasonably sized PNG images.

  • Theo Van laar

    April 27, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    If you make the width 1916 px and the height 1080 px, you can keep the square pixels.

    The resolution in photoshop should be 72.

    And use whenever possible JPG files, since they require less memory then PNG. Also increase the size of the pictures (e.g. 2*2 times ) only for the pictures you want to apply a pan/zoom.

    Theo

  • Scott Francis

    April 27, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    THE sizes vary as do the dpi!! Here is an example:

    2800w x 1868h at 300 dpi

    If I change that to 150 dpi it also cuts the pixels in half

    HOWEVER I can double the pixels (and hence the SIZE of the pic) and the DPI remains the same!! The size of the file (in MB increases GREATLY and the the size in inches doubles as well)

    SOOOO what do I do?

    Do I change the DPI, change the pixels, or increase the pixels and reduce the DPI or what?
    I hope you can see my confusion, maybe this is just a photoshop issue and I DO understand that DPI related to video…but it is still confusing going from a pic that does have dpi, pixels and PAR to a video format that looks as PAR and pixels only!

    ALSO, can I and should I change the PAR in photoshop to a rectangle (1.33)

    I hope I did not make this more confusing than before…

    Thank you All!!

    Scott Francis
    Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

  • John Rofrano

    April 28, 2010 at 1:06 am

    If you make the width 1916 px and the height 1080 px, you can keep the square pixels.

    Actually, that’s close but HD is 1920 x 1080 PAR 1.000. The PAR for HDV is 1.33333333333 to infinity which calculates to 1919.9999999 to infinity which rounds up to 1920 pixels. 😉

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Danny Hays

    April 28, 2010 at 4:08 am

    Also .png files can contain a transparent alph channel where jpegs
    can’t if I’m not mistaken. Good for making corner bugs.

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