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  • Best HDCAM-SR/Film Out Workflow?

    Posted by Thomas Mcnamara on June 18, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Wanted to get the opinion from the people who have done this particular workflow before:

    Film was shot 35mm, was telecined and dubbed simultaneously to HDCAM-SR tapes and DVCAM tapes. We want to use the DVCAM tapes for the offline, online at HDCAM-SR for previews, and we want to finish on both HDCAM-SR and Film. We are offlining on DVCAM because we don’t have the resources to edit HDCAM-SR, so cutting DVCAM out of the equation is not a solution…I know there is a preferred way to make this all work as is.

    Since the 24p film was telecined with 2:3 pulldown at 29.97 onto the HDCAMSR and the DVCAM tapes, I want to know what the best workflow to edit at would be, as far as framerates, edls, and such. I’d like to work at 23.976, but I know that Cinema Tools loses the TC information when doing a reverse telecine, so I couldn’t offline the reverse telecined DVCAM footage with Media Manager and recapture HDCAMSR at 23.976 using the Kona to remove pulldown…

    But, I need accurate 24p cut lists for the film out at the very end. How do I keep everything accurate? If I cut at 29.97 with pulldown, DVCAM, then online to 29.97 HDCAMSR with pulldown, how do I then make an accurate cutlist for film out if my cutlist is at 29.97?

    What is done most often/most recommended from the experts out there, for a workflow that can incorporate a DVCAM offline, HDCAMSR out and a Film out at the same time?

    Thanks in advance for your help, I always receive great advice from you guys.

    I have a Kona 3, Mac Pro, Final Cut Studio 2, FC 6.0.3. 35mm film telecine to HDCAMSR and DVCAM with pulldown. Running Leopard 10.5.2. Let me know if you need any other information.

    Eric Johnson replied 17 years, 11 months ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Eric Johnson

    June 18, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    If you use Cinema Tools in conjunction with the Flex File from your transfer you should be able to maintain all of your keycode for your film lists. If you start your cinema tools database with your Flex File and export a batchlist from Cinema Tools for FCP then reverse in Cinema Tools your TC shouldn’t be affected, especially if you do the faster but larger method of the reverse telecine.

    After that as long as you keep your comunication between FCP and Cinema Tools up to date, everything should work out.

    That will get you to your film list.

    For your HD SR up res, you would use the same batchlist that you have from your DV CAM offline, before the reverse, then apply that to your Online project. Then you apply your reverse telecine and reconnect to your Offline project.

    That’s how it’s supposed to work.

  • Thomas Mcnamara

    June 19, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Makes sense, my problem was that as I understood it, Cinema Tools does not retain TC info… does it keep the TC because it would originate from the flexfile to batch list to captured media instead of just random media files?

    So essentially, you’re saying flexfile->29.97 batch list to FCP -> capture 29.97; load 29.97 dvcam material into cinema tools, reverse telecine, load rev files back into a 23.976 FCP project, edit at 23.976. Export a film list. Makes sense so far.

    For the hdcamsr out, use the 29.97 batch list created earlier for the dvcam offline, create an online hd project in fcp, load batch list, capture hdcamsr into fcp, load that 29.97 media into CT, reverse telecine, and reconnect newly created rev files at 23.976 to the offline 23.976 edited project. Correct?

    This all makes sense so far, but as far as efficiency I have a follow up question: What if I didn’t want to recapture all the hdcamsr material, only the material that I used? In other words, instead of capturing all the hdcam tapes at 29.976 from the original batch lists, then reversing all the telecine, then reconnecting, is there a better, more space-friendly way to only capture the hdcamsr material, at that time, only what was actually used in the edited offline project?

    This all seems to hinge on the question of whether or not Cinema Tools retains accurate TC; if so, I could recapture the 23.976 hdcamsr online project at 23.976, but only capturing what was actually used in the final sequence, a fraction of the original, making the Kona remove the pulldown, and accurately maintaining the keycoded frames. Without needing to reverse the telecine in cinema tools again, which takes up more space and time.

    Thoughts? Did I understand your post correctly? Thanks for the response, I appreciate it.

  • Eric Johnson

    June 19, 2008 at 12:20 am

    You seemed to get what I said.

    To get you really on track though, and you may not like me for this, I would say look through the documentation that comes with Cinema Tools. I know reading manuals is not the most fun, but the Apple documentation is usually not to burdensome.

    I just know from experience that, looking through the manuals and then coming back to the forums to fill in the holes is a beneficial process.

    Hope that helps and doesn’t deter you in any way.

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