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Batch capture of HDV to ProRes
I’ve read some of the threads about the problem of batch-capturing HDV footage to ProRes and tried some experiments with it myself. Am I wrong to conclude that batch capture (including recapture) to ProRes isn’t really practical? The closest I’ve come involves bringing in the clips via my Intensity Pro card while fooling deck-control by choosing NTSC Firewire (rather than HDV Firewire) and setting iLink on my Sony HVR-M25U to downconvert to DV. Batch capture happens under these circumstances but only with repeated error messages about looking for timecode breaks and dropping frames, with the result that the captured clips have gross timecode errors at the in and out points.
Alfred Guzzetti
Mac Pro Quad 2.66GHz 4GB RAM
Intensity Pro card
OS 10.4.9
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[Alfred Guzzetti] ” Am I wrong to conclude that batch capture (including recapture) to ProRes isn’t really practical?”
Yep, you’re completely wrong. We capture HDV to ProRes almost daily in one of our suites.
The problem is most people don’t want to purchase the correct hardware to make this really easy.
We have two Sony M15U HDV decks that feed Component Video and Stereo audio to an AJA HD10AVA converter and those converters feed our Kona 3 cards.
If you get the Kona LHi it’s even easier, just run component video / stereo audio directly to the card.
We set machine control to Firewire and away we go.
HDV video captured directly to ProRes all day long using the AJA Kona boards.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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Are you saying I can capture pro res through the Kona card and not direct from firewire? I have the Kona LHe card would that work? should I be using component video or DVI to capture HDV to ProRes? what would be the best with the least errors? thanks.
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[johnsabbath d’urzo] “Are you saying I can capture pro res through the Kona card and not direct from firewire? I have the Kona LHe card would that work? should I be using component video or DVI to capture HDV to ProRes? what would be the best with the least errors? thanks. “
Yes.
If your deck has Component out, you run that directly to the LHe and run your audio directly there as well.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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would i have any issues with firewire from HDV to ProRes if I don’t go with the kona. I dont have a deck.
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[johnsabbath d’urzo] “would i have any issues with firewire from HDV to ProRes if I don’t go with the kona. I dont have a deck.”
According to what you’ve been reporting, you won’t have TC after you do this. I have never used the Firewire method as I have no need to.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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[johnsabbath d’urzo] “would i have any issues with firewire from HDV to ProRes if I don’t go with the kona. I dont have a deck. “
HDV to ProRes via FW only works as ‘capture now’ and it does not include source TC, IIRC.-A
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[walter biscardi] “According to what you’ve been reporting, you won’t have TC after you do this. I have never used the Firewire method as I have no need to. “
Capturing HDV to Pro Res via firewire absolutely does create clips with timecode — see the picture below of the browser. Reel numbers however must be added to the browser after the fact.
Recapturing from the bin or timeline does not work for some reason unless you create an EDL. It’s not ever been an issue for me in two years of using the workflow.
David Roth Weiss
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David Weiss Productions, Inc.
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Many thanks for this helpful information. It makes me wonder why my Intensity Pro card won’t do what the Kona does. I have no problem sending HDV, TC and all, from the Sony deck to FCP via HDMI and the Intensity card . But I can’t get this and deck control too, which makes recapturing and batch capture impossible. I wonder what the Kona card is doing that the Intensity isn’t. The sticking point seems to be that FCP turns up an error message when Deck Control and Capture aren’t both set to Firewire.
Alfred Guzzetti
Mac Pro Quad 2.66GHz 4GB RAM
Intensity Pro card
OS 10.4.9
FCP 6.0 -
[David Roth Weiss] “Reel numbers however must be added to the browser after the fact.
Recapturing from the bin or timeline does not work for some reason unless you create an EDL. “
Those two reasons alone are enough for me to be glad I never have to use this workflow. Give me AJA Kona hardware any day over this.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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direct FW HDV->ProRes does indeed capture TC just fine. I’ve used this for quite some time. yes I have recaptured this way… that said –
I can always use the MXO2 with its serial port to 422 control the VTR ( JVC BRHD50 ) and capture via HDMI. 422 control is more reliable. if your VTR doesn’t have 422 control, might be something to consider in the long run if you plan to do a lot of recaptures.
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